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Wile E. Coyote
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London is one of the most ethnically diverse and multicultural cities in the world. Greater London has a population of 8,899,375 at the 2021 census. Around 41% of its population were born outside the UK, and over 300 languages are spoken in the region, it has free schooling, a free NHS, and the govermnment will still pay your housing costs if you have a low paid job. There are civil rights, very little need to integrate, and the police are not armed. It is the richest capital in Europe.
Of course folks want to come. You think that the Frogs can compete.
Seriously?
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Mick Harper
Site Admin
In: London
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We'll just check in case there's a bogus list lurking around
most ethnically diverse city So the natives are already fed up
300 languages spoken So 299 the migrant can't speak
free schooling Every country in Europe has free schooling
free NHS Every country in Europe has its equivalent of the NHS
housing costs paid if you have a low paid job Not true
civil rights No different from anyone else's
very little need to integrate Not understood
unarmed police Alarmingly irrelevant
richest capital in Europe Equals most expensive capital in Europe
No ID cards Definitely. Except you didn't mention it.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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Britain (London) is a magnet, the boat figures have gone up massively since Brexit 2020.
We know that of the 6.4 million individuals that applied to the EU settlement scheme that was run on us Brexiting..... 5.8 million were EU27 citizens, 64 thousand EEA EFTA and Swiss citizens, and 523 thousand were non-EEA nationals.
That's half a million non EEA folks opting for Britain in preference to Europe.
There was considerable demand for non-EEA nationals to come to Britain via Europe via a safe legal route. (there just isn't one now)
The problem is solved (theoretically) by giving non-EEA nationals freedom of movement (as they had before 2020). They then can apply anyway in Europe, and then exercise freedom of movement to London, without the risk of a crossing. Many surely did this as it was less risky and costly. Having gained a right to remain in Europe they simply then got the train, and no one noticed or cared. They could get off in London, legally they were allowed to find work and legally they could claim benefits.
Is it any surprise the figures for boat crossing have now risen when there is a proven demand?
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Mick Harper
Site Admin
In: London
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| Willey wrote: | | Britain (London) is a magnet, the boat figures have gone up massively since Brexit 2020. |
You seem to forget there have been 'camps' in northern France of migrants trying to get from France to Britain forever.
| We know that of the 6.4 million individuals that applied to the EU settlement scheme that was run on us Brexiting..... 5.8 million were EU27 citizens, 64 thousand EEA EFTA and Swiss citizens, and 523 thousand were non-EEA nationals. That's half a million non EEA folks opting for Britain in preference to Europe. |
Like I say, forever. EU, EEA, EFTA it makes no difference.
| There was considerable demand for non-EEA nationals to come to Britain via Europe via a safe legal route. (there just isn't one now) |
You can have as many safe routes as you like, the demand from people who don't qualify will always be infinite. It is only limited by the difficulty of getting here, and staying here.
| The problem is solved (theoretically) by giving non-EEA nationals freedom of movement (as they had before 2020). They then can apply anyway in Europe, and then exercise freedom of movement to London, without the risk of a crossing. Many surely did this as it was less risky and costly. Having gained a right to remain in Europe they simply then got the train, and no one noticed or cared. They could get off in London, legally they were allowed to find work and legally they could claim benefits. |
Like I keep saying, no-one minds migrants they don't notice. If they are white and keep their heads down, who cares? Everyone benefits so long as various minor adjustments are carried out by the government. Mostly even if it doesn't.
| Is it any surprise the figures for boat crossing have now risen when there is a proven demand? |
The entire reason for the increase is that a few years ago some bright sparks
(1) gave up on climbing into the backs of Pas de Calais lorries, clinging to the undercarriage of the Eurostar or whatever, thereby getting into Britain unnoticed and hoping to stay there in favour of
(2) Jumping into a dinghy, arriving with a fanfare in Britain and hoping to stay there.
Since British (and French) migrant policy means the chances of success are roughly equal either way, I know which one I would choose. I know which method thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of migrants have chosen.
One boatload of migrants taken off the beach, bussed direct to Stanstead and put on a plane for Rwanda would have stopped the whole thing in its tracks. One has to concede that.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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2019: 200 boat crossings in the last 365 days
Brexit date Fri, 31 Jan 2020, 11:00 pm
2020: 2000 boat crossings in the last 365 days
End of Brexit transtion date. 31st December 2020
2024: 40,000 crossings........in the last 365 days.
Brexit has shut off a safe legal route. The illegal lorry and boats routes probably only being used by those with failed applications to other Euro nations before 2020, now there is no point putting in a asylum application within Europe..... if you really want to come to Britain. Fredom of Movement does not exist so wont help you with the last leg of your trip.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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Its really just a case of we have shut down freedom of movement. (FOM)
When it all started Tony Blair told us that under FOM there would be in the region of 5,000 to 13,000 yearly arriving, in actual fact flows from EU were 20 times the number, Britain was a magnet. You can argue about the reasons, but we consistently underestimate the numbers and determination of folks wanting to come.
Why?
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Mick Harper
Site Admin
In: London
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| Wiley wrote: | | You can argue about the reasons, but we consistently underestimate the numbers. Why? |
I don't see the mystery. Like I say, and I'm sure you agree, the number of people in the world at any one time who would like to swap where they live now for a life in Britain is, for all practical purposes, infinite. The number who can arrange this using official channels, at any one time, is... limited.
| Infinity minus any integer equals infinity. |
How can anyone underestimate infinity? The only policy choice available is to make it hard or to make it easy. All the rest is flummery.
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