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Mick Harper
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I wouldn't go on a march for them, I would marry one. Surely they are going to have heaving (joint) bank accounts after suing for unfair dismissal?

PS I wouldn't co-habit though. Not unless they had had a jab. And that includes you, Brian, so don't even ask.
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Mick Harper wrote:
PS I wouldn't co-habit though. Not unless they had had a jab. And that includes you, Brian, so don't even ask.


Quite right, it's only fair that you don't put them at risk. Because pro-rata, the vaccinated are more likely to get Covid than the unvaccinated. The negative efficacy of the vaccine has already been mentioned.
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President Trump has released his official assessment of the COVID pandemic origin, response and cover-up:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/lab-leak-true-origins-of-covid-19/
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President Trump has released his official assessment of the COVID pandemic origin, response and cover-up:




This is an important document because, according to ortho, Covid left more than seven million dead, hundreds of millions ill, as well as pushing every national economy towards recession, with all governments having to accrue massive debt.

The question is why has "the simplest and most obvious" explanation of the pandemic been carefully ignored by most scientists and governments. Not helped by the fact that the proposed visit by World Health Organisation into the Wuhan lab was access denied.

The alternative natural theory for COVID has been widely accepted, yet scientists have still not found a virus in either bats or any other other animal that matches the genetic make-up of Covid-19.

If we are serious about stopping all this happening again and, given the death toll, we surely should, why is there not more debate about the origin.

It was not just some folks in the US having doubts, German intelligence believed that the Lab-leak theory was most likely.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz7vypq31z7o
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One question that nobody seems to be asking is:

If the Wuhan Lab-leak was the source of COVID, does that explain the draconian lockdowns that President Xi then put in place, ie were the Wuhan scientists who had engineered the virus, advising these lockdowns were essential and why?
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Mick Harper
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President Trump has released his official assessment of the COVID pandemic origin, response and cover-up:
This is an important document because, according to ortho, Covid left more than seven million dead, hundreds of millions ill, as well as pushing every national economy towards recession, with all governments having to accrue massive debt.

OK

The question is why has "the simplest and most obvious" explanation of the pandemic been carefully ignored by most scientists and governments.

'Simplest and most obvious' cannot be true if it is 'carefully ignored, by most scientists and governments'. It is a paradox that is at the heart of AE.

Not helped by the fact that the proposed visit by World Health Organisation into the Wuhan lab was access denied.

I don't know why the Chinese would be worried by a visit from those wallies.

The alternative natural theory for COVID has been widely accepted, yet scientists have still not found a virus in either bats or any other other animal that matches the genetic make-up of Covid-19.

OK

If we are serious about stopping all this happening again and, given the death toll, we surely should, why is there not more debate about the origin.

So you are accepting the 'seven million dead'? Think carefully about this. Will you be saying the same thing after seven million people die 'from' this year's flu variant?

It was not just some folks in the US having doubts, German intelligence believed that the Lab-leak theory was most likely.

This is a bogus list. (1) some unspecified Americans (2) some unspecified German spooks (3) er....
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If we are serious about stopping all this happening again and, given the death toll, we surely should, why is there not more debate about the origin.


Mick Harper wrote:

So you are accepting the 'seven million dead'? Think carefully about this. Will you be saying the same thing after seven million people die 'from' this year's flu variant?


I am saying to Ortho, you believe 7 million died, why are you ignoring the origin....

WHY?
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Mick Harper
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Wiley wrote:
One question that nobody seems to be asking is: If the Wuhan Lab-leak was the source of COVID, does that explain the draconian lockdowns that President Xi then put in place, ie were the Wuhan scientists who had engineered the virus, advising these lockdowns were essential and why?

This presupposes knowledge and expertise that I don't think existed at the time. Assuming, worst case, that the Wuhan scientists had created the bug for warlike purposes, they couldn't know just how it would operate in the real world. (We still don't know.)

Scientists: Sorry, Mr President, one of our new germ warfare bugs has escaped.
President Xi: Worse things happen at sea. What do you recommend?
Scientists: Maybe draconian lockdowns?
President Xi: That would rather tip the wink, wouldn't it?
Scientists: True. Worst case scenario is that we'll have to pay the bill for a worldwide pandemic.
President Xi: Better to lose a bunch of Chinamen than that.
Scientists: OK. What about a draconian but localised lockdown because we have 'suddenly been hit by a mystery bug'. The bug goes viral. Various countries go in for varying states of lockdowns. Then it's safe for us to go draconian as per our own situation.
President Xi: Go for it.
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My challenge to other AEists is exactly this : if you believed in the Chinese Lab-leak theory, and they locked down harder and more times than than anyone else, just tell me why you think they did this.....?
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Mick Harper
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The puzzle, I suppose, is that it makes no difference what the bug is, where it started, what it was for etc etc once the pandemic gets going (in China, in the world). Everyone is faced with the same public health situation.

So this AE-ist has to say, 'Don't know, except that the Chinese tend to be a law unto themselves generally. But I'm all ears for something better.'
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Poor uptake of MHS England medical staff for mRNA vaccine



https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/seasonal-influenza-and-covid-19-vaccine-uptake-in-frontline-healthcare-workers-monthly-data-2023-to-2024

Note: The graph itself is not in the spreadsheet (I did not even try to make sense of the figures, be my guest) and I could not find the source of it, another image shows it from Pubmed Central but I have not validated it. However other comments of poor uptake have been published.
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Mick Harper
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Please apply this formula to downsize your graph which is playing merry hell with page width. (I cannot give it to you straight because the software would then play merry hell with my post.)

<
img src
="" [putting the URL in between the speech marks]
width= [I think there is a space before width, but experiment]
"600" /> [Or whatever number works best]
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Wiley is trying to make something of the information provided, but it's not really a strong point.

My guess would be something like, that during a pandemic, take up is higher?

Does this really get us further forward?

Just asking.
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Mick Harper
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No. You put a hard return after the quotes (or something). I assume you can't see these things on a phone but anyway I've fixed both of them. I feel very uncomfortable with grandmothers and sucking eggs.
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