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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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Re the NHS being opaque and unwilling.
At the Covid Enquiry, fully qualified and highly expert doctors, but with dissenting voices, have found that it is "business as usual" for the NHS.
Those actively employed inside the NHS find that it is "career limiting" to be a whistleblower.
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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There are several other cases "bubbling under". These are well-known amongst UK doctors. But have not yet reached the "critical mass" to burst into the MSM. They may get there via Phil Hammond in Private Eye, or perhaps various Substack channels.
Here's one example.
| Ever since I started delving into the individual neonate’s cases from the Letby trial I began receiving emails with often distressing and disturbing stories that had several common factors. Most told of failures to achieve true informed consent; vulnerable patients whose demise was either hastened by or entirely the result of iatrogenic harm; ... |
In case you were wondering:
iatrogenic
(of a disease or problem) caused by medical treatment or by a doctor:
Iatrogenic infections are responsible for thousands of deaths among hospital patients each year.
Minimally invasive spinal surgery reduces the risk of iatrogenic injury.
If a complication such as excessive bleeding arises during a biopsy procedure, the complication is iatrogenic. |
| ...nurses and midwives who tried to raise the alarm but were shut down by management; doctors, NHS managers and even police who boldfaced lied in efforts that appeared entirely intended to cover up for (in)competent or (un)competent doctors; and corrupt and malfeasant NHS managers who acted more to protect ‘the brand’ than to protect the patients. |
And yet, having worked for several very-large companies, and government departments, does any of this seem unique to the NHS? Most large organisations tend towards sociopathic behaviour. Is the NHS any worse?
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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We might start with the bodies of dead babies and children.
| whose internal organs were harvested and sold without parental knowledge or consent onto a university research laboratory; | |
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Mick Harper
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| Borry wrote: | | Those actively employed inside the NHS find that it is "career limiting" to be a whistleblower. |
Would you want to be operated on by someone daft enough to be a whistleblower?
| They may get there via Phil Hammond in Private Eye |
I don't read Private Eye anymore but I get sent Lucy-related Phil Hammond articles by someone who does. A great man. Ex-stand up comic and (current?) NHS doctor.
| In case you were wondering: iatrogenic |
It was a book about iatrogenic illnesses, Medical Nemesis: The Expropriation of Health by Ivan Illich (1976), that started me out as an AE-ist.
| And yet, having worked for several very-large companies, and government departments, does any of this seem unique to the NHS? Most large organisations tend towards sociopathic behaviour. Is the NHS any worse? |
Far worse. It's much bigger, it can't go bust, it's a national treasure.
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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| Mick Harper wrote: | | Ex-stand up comic and (current?) NHS doctor. |
Would you want to be operated on by a comedian?
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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| BBC wrote: | | The prosecution said Letby was "caught virtually red-handed" by Dr Jayaram when he entered nursery one on February 17 and saw her standing over Baby K’s cot "doing nothing" as the baby’s blood oxygen levels dipped. |
Dr Ravi Jayaram is the only medical witness at Letby's two trials who claimed to have witnessed behaviour (non behaviour) directly linking her to babies' deaths, namely that she was attending Baby K's cot as the baby deteriorated and that she did not call for help.
Now we know that at the time Dr Jayaram, in contradiction of his later court evidence. had memoed staff to say that Letby had in fact raised the alarm directly to him.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14603131/Lucy-Letby-freed-bombshell-email-casts-doubt-court-claim-nurse-caught-red-handed.html
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Mick Harper
Site Admin
In: London
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Blimey O'Reilly, how many last legs can they not get to stand on?
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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This is very good at exposing how the doctors were pressurising the police into taking action against Lucy Letby, by what actually the Doctors themselves called "Piqueing the police's interest"..... (ie get the police to investigate despite the police's initial reluctance), it's all in the first 10 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zFtLy8f2-U
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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It's difficult to see how one doctor at Chester can be allowed to continue practising after Thirlwell, by his own testimony he witnessed a nurse not raising the alarm and suspected there was a serial killer on the wards of the Chester for a year, but did not report this concern to his manager.
I don't see how Thirlwell (who must take the trial view that Letby was guilty) can ignore this. The whole point of the enquiry is to stop future serial killers......
You simply cannot have a failiure to report a serious ongoing death hazard to all the neonatals in the unit from a serial killer, as a forgiveable error of judgement.
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Mick Harper
Site Admin
In: London
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There's a kind of inverse AE principle here. Anyone who's been on a successful foray into some new theory--whether their own or someone else's relatively unexplored one--will know that every way you turn something new and juicy falls into your lap.
Here, you are describing something which a few years ago would have caused national consternation but now scarcely raises a ripple.
In neither direction is this complete evidence of validity--the Cheshire constabulary were undergoing a similar process when investigating Letby, remember--but it's hard to ignore.
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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| Wile E. Coyote wrote: | | It's difficult to see how one doctor at Chester can be allowed to continue practising after Thirlwell, by his own testimony he witnessed a nurse not raising the alarm |
I have to confess I am conflicted on this one. Having worked in large organisations, with dysfunctional systems, and people who day-in-and-day-out do nothing to raise the alarm about "something wrong".
Why do people (like Lucy) do nothing?
My observation is that individual people who know there's "something wrong" gradually become so desensitized it's just "business as normal". Knowing if they report the problem, they are most likely to get branded as a trouble maker. Most people don't want the pain, and do their best to keep a low profile.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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| Boreades wrote: |
I have to confess I am conflicted on this one. Having worked in large organisations, with dysfunctional systems, and people who day-in-and-day-out do nothing to raise the alarm about "something wrong".
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Your teenage son has just arrived home with some other person's blood on his T-Shirt.
I get it, you wash it, then sit him down and ask him what happened. So, if it happens again, then you will have to take it more seriously.
It does. Shirt gets another wash. Serious measures are now called for, he will be stopped from going out.
Oh no! Christ, how many times can this keep happening. He climbed out the window. It seems he is in real denial about his problems. The neighbours on both sides are selling up.
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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I like the analogy, but I'm losing the plot. Is it Dr Ravi Jayaram or Thirlwell or Letby that's climbing out the window?
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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It is Dr Ravi Jayaram doing the shirt washing and having nightmares for over a year.
If you believe him.
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Mick Harper
Site Admin
In: London
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That's the thing about 'careful ignoral'. You know and you don't know all at the same time. Crafty bugger, that brain. Or mind, as may be.
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