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Mick Harper
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Thanks, Wiley, I'll be incorporating this material in my True History of England in Three Acts. Almost none of it is real. Henry II, the most powerful generalissimo in Europe, being serially routed by a bunch of Taffs is a nice touch. Go on, Dai, bash him over the head with your leek.
The Normans weren't interested in Wales. Nobody was. Security from the Welsh had to be provided by Marcher Lords but London only became interested in internal Welsh politics when one of their expeditionary offshoots invaded Ireland and a secure supply line through South Wales had to be established. This was done by siting strategic 'monasteries' along the A40 route with Rhys ap Gruffyd as local hired hand.
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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Breaking news / Medievalism's Match Of The Day
According to Thomas Rowsell :
There is a terrible new development in Medievalism. A push from activists to completely ban the use of the word Anglo-Saxon.
It started with grievance monger Rambaran-Olm complaining that Anglo-Saxon is was racist and exclusionary and that AS studies are too white. Her blogs and complaints resulted in the International Society of Anglo-Saxonists (ISAS) agreeing to change its name. |
Thomas is very keen on Germanic/Norse paganism but paradoxically doesn't seem keen on Anglo Saxons.
Is it possible that being politically correct might clear-out some of the dead wood causing a log jam?
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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I'm not sure what the name is being changed to. Perhaps the "International Society of Inclusive Saxonists" would sound better?
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Hatty
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In: Berkshire
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| There are few contemporary accounts: 19th century and later accounts of the "battle" rely heavily on David Powel's 1584 Historie of Cambria, an unreliable historical source. |
The History of Cambria is a good example of Tudor chicanery.
In 1584, David Powell published the Historie of Cambria, now called Wales, at the request of his patron, Sir Henry Sidney. This was the first published history of medieval Wales, and written in English so that it could reach a broad audience.
Powel’s book was based on a translation begun by Humphrey Llwyd (d.1568), a Welsh MP, antiquarian and writer, from Welsh chronicle and other sources. |
Humphrey Llwyd/Lloyd has already appeared in our rogues gallery
| Humphrey Llwyd (also spelled Lhuyd) (1527–1568) was a Welsh cartographer, author, antiquary and Member of Parliament. .... His library, together with those of his patron, the Earl of Arundel and his brother-in-law, Lord Lumley, formed the basis of the Royal Collection of books; currently housed at the British Library. |
Llwyd holds a world record for having produced the earliest printed map of Wales though 'cartographer' might be a tad misleading
| From 1566 he toured Europe, including Brussels, Augsburg, Milan, Padua and Venice. In Antwerp, he learnt from, and collaborated with, map maker Abraham Ortelius. In 1567, when Llwyd returned to Denbigh, he was given a stipend from the Crown to create the first printed map of Wales for the Dutch geographer Ortelius, for inclusion in his forthcoming Theatrum Orbis Terrarum. Although the map contained inaccuracies, it was nonetheless a pioneer work that proved itself useful into the eighteenth century |
As for Llwyd's brother-in-law
| John Lumley, 1st Baron Lumley (c. 1533 – 1609) was an English aristocrat, who is remembered as one of the greatest collectors of art and books of his age. |
Powell was backed by Elizabeth's Secretary of State, Lord Burghley. No wonder his 'history' was taken at face value, though that doesn't mitigate our own historians' culpability
| Powell added to the work from additional sources, such as the ‘records in the Tower’ that he was given access to by Lord Burghley. The final work was one of the most important early-modern books on Welsh history. It remained the standard text on the subject (running through several reprints), arguably until the publication of Sir J. E. Lloyd’s History of Wales in 1911, though more ambitious Welsh histories had been produced in the nineteenth century. It traced the medieval history of Wales up to the Tudor kings and queens. In so doing Powel merged Welsh history into English history so that the two could not be divided | |
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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| Boreades wrote: | | I'm not sure what the name is being changed to. Perhaps the "International Society of Inclusive Saxonists" would sound better? |
Yes, but only under new leadership.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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| Boreades wrote: |
Is it possible that being politically correct might clear-out some of the dead wood causing a log jam? |
The PC critique is based on rejection of ideas of AS which were used to support 19th century notions of empire. This evil will be done away with. They will retreat/reinvent the early more mythical ideas of AS, as you are on much safer racial grounds PC wise...err.... when you have been invaded.
Ahh those Golden Years under the Viking, Norman yoke.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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After my discovery that Fortuna = Sheela Na Gig. I was wondering if anything else would follow?
I found myself strangely attracted to
https://fineartamerica.com/featured/allegory-of-fortune-detail-salvator-rosa.html
I really am a bit of a ass.
You can see why Cornwall=Cornucopia
Cornwall looks like the horn from which Fortuna pours the abundant golden coins over the ass.
Somebody, a map maker, thinks that Cornwall=Cornucopia= Copious Horn= Horn of Plenty. It is what we Brits call visual. A beautiful image. No?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornwall#/media/File:Cornwall_UK_locator_map_2010.svg
Unfortunately it's spolied by the Welsh, who insist that Wales/wall = Wealh, Walh, it means foreigner and is a term of abuse. The image like the painting is about injustice.
I am not having it Wealh, Walh = Wealth
Can I prove it, no. Is it a better fit, of course Horn of wealth, abundance.
Rich Wealthy Welsh gits, with their gold tin and pretty women.
My inferences confirm my prejudice. I must be on the right lines.
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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There's the British School of Motoring's map of Britain driving along holding a steering wheel, with Cornwall inferentially pressing the pedal to the metal but that was a bit later. Who first knew what shape Cornwall was and when?
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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| Bernard Moitessier wrote: | | A sailor's geography is not always that of the cartographer, for whom a cape is a cape, with a latitude and longitude. For the sailor, a great cape is both a very simple and an extremely complicated whole of rocks, currents, breaking seas and huge waves, fair winds and gales, joys and fears, fatigue, dreams, painful hands, empty stomachs, wonderful moments, and suffering at times. A great cape, for us, can't be expressed in longitude and latitude alone. A great cape has a soul, with very soft, very violent shadows and colours. A soul as smooth as a child's, as hard as a criminal's. And that is why we go |
Let's go with Cornwall being a a sailor's term. I know it's not acceptable using experts, but "any port......."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_capes#/media/File:ClipperRoute.png
It's a British cape shaped like a horn.
The name Cape Cornwall appeared first on a maritime chart around the year 1600. The original Cornish name, Kilgoodh Ust, dates back to 1580. In English it translates to "goose-back at St Just", a reference to the shape of the cape.[4] Later versions of the name dropped the 'Ust'.[1] An alternative name, Pen Kernow, is a recent translation back to Cornish of the English.
A cape is the point of land where two bodies of water meet. Cape Cornwall is one of only two capes in the United Kingdom, the other being Cape Wrath in North West Scotland.[5] |
One British cape is "fortune", one is "wrath."
Yet ortho would have us believe that Cape Wrath is:
| The name Cape Wrath is derived from Old Norse hvarf ("turning point"), accordingly, wrath is pronounced /ˈræθ/ (a as in cat),[1] Vikings are believed to have used the cape as a navigation point where they would turn their ships |
You might think my baby is ugly, but I think it is beautiful. But there again, don't all parents?
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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If the only 'capes' are respectively at the two uttermost points of the island of Britain, I doubt that cape means cape.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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| In geography, a cape is a headland or a promontory of large size extending into a body of water, usually the sea.[1] A cape usually represents a marked change in trend of the coastline, often making them important landmarks in sea navigation. This also makes them prone to natural forms of erosion, mainly tidal actions, which results in them having a relatively short geological lifespan. Capes can be formed by glaciers, volcanoes, and changes in sea level. Erosion plays a large role in each of these methods of formation |
A sailor's geography is not always that of the cartographer, for whom a cape is a cape, with a latitude and longitude. For the sailor, a great cape is both a very simple and an extremely complicated whole of rocks, currents, breaking seas and huge waves, fair winds and gales, joys and fears, fatigue, dreams, painful hands, empty stomachs, wonderful moments, and suffering at times. A great cape, for us, can't be expressed in longitude and latitude alone. A great cape has a soul, with very soft, very violent shadows and colours. A soul as smooth as a child's, as hard as a criminal's. And that is why we go
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We are going with the Frenchie on this.
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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I have no objection to that but I still want to know what a 'cape' is. Just because various odds and sods have adopted the term for their own purposes does not alter the fact there are a vast number of capes around but if only two of them are real capes, I want to know what whoever coined the term meant by it. Cape diem.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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Well I am going for where cornucopia takes me. So "abundance" of fortune, weath and so on.
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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| Hatty wrote: | | Greedy traders with shameless womenfolk... could it be that Star Trek is just un peu anti-French? |
Not just anti-French. Gene Roddenberry, the producer of Star Trek had decidedly socialist views. Note that the entire Star Trek franchise is portrayed as a United Nations in space, with a uni-culture. Nobody has to earn a wage, all are well and healthy (apart from the guys in the red shirts). Peoples that they encounter that do "trade" (capitalists) are portrayed as grasping anti-heroes, not to be trusted.
We come in peace (shoot to kill)
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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Henry III has got a bad press for constantly surrounding himself with--and mega-rewarding--foreigners. The Church was a mighty complainer of, for example, the king's chaplain being awarded seven hundred ecclesiastical livings. Blimey, he'd needed to have been on his bike conducting services at that lot. 'If it's Sunday, it must be...'
At last things had got too much and a deputation of my lord bishops of Canterbury, Winchester, Salisbury and Carlisle came to demand that church appointments be made properly, in the lawful and traditional way. When the king observed all four of them had got their present positions from him with gross irregularity and would they care to resign their benefices so the process could be done all over again, they said with one voice
| The question is not how to correct past errors but to avoid them in the future. |
I think that's Mark IV verse 8.
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