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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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Ie they have added fat trim from very lean to make it up to 10%.
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Mick Harper
Site Admin
In: London
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That is absolute rubbish, Coyote, and certainly illegal. Try again.
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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Will nobody think of the children?
| German confectionery giant Haribo has said it is struggling to deliver its sweets to shops in the UK because of a shortage of lorry drivers. |
Because children need a plentiful supply of sugar to encourage obesity, diabetes and teeth-rot. Well, it's a personal choice.
| It said that like many other producers and retailers, it was "experiencing challenges" that were hitting supplies. The haulage industry has blamed the pandemic and Brexit for thousands of unfilled HGV driver jobs |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57690505
I don't quite get the blaming it on Covid, as lorry-driving was a Key Worker thing. Even #1 Daughter had a job last year delivering stuff, before being a Uni Student again.
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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It is always beneficial equipping one's children with an HGV licence when they are young and impressionable. It is a little known fact that attending an HGV course automatically means you have 'passed your test' for ordinary motor cars. I myself gave up on any such aspiration when a girlfriend, fed up with doing all the driving, offered to teach me in an empty Safeway carpark (this was in the days of Sunday closing) and informed me of the ridiculous notion that there were three pedals and only two feet with which to operate them. She ditched me later for someone who could drive though I never found out whether he was HGV qualified as well.
My own parents were typically remiss equipping me with all the necessary life-skills. I had to wait for the Department of Work and Pensions to send me off on a course before I was fully proficient in touch-typing.
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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The following is offered as an AEL case study on how long ortho-science can cling to "consensus" science, despite it being complete and utter fraudulent rubbish. And despite AEL.
The going rate is 60 years.
Fats and cholesterol enter the circulation through two pathways: they are eaten, or are exported by the liver. It was quickly recognized that eating cholesterol had little effect on the levels in circulation.
| "From the animal experiments alone the most reasonable conclusion would be that the cholesterol content of human diets is unimportant in human atherosclerosis." (Keys, 1952) |
Cholesterol levels in the blood were regulated by the liver, if you ate more cholesterol the liver would produce less, and levels would stay the about the same—yes, physicians have always been wrong about eggs and cholesterol.
| “Our results are in accord with the recent work of Bottcher [et al.] (1960) who showed conclusively that human atherosclerotic plaques have a high content of linoleic acid which increases with the severity of the disease.” |
So while the presence of cholesterol and ‘fat’ generally led to admonitions that they should be reduced to prevent heart disease, the evidence that linoleic acid was “essential” for the promotion of heart disease was ignored.
But why have we been consuming so much more linoleic acid?
The rise of heart disease was accompanied by a massive increase in the consumption of seed oils, and a corresponding decline in the consumption of saturated animal fats (Lee 2022). Many of the researchers involved were aware of this (Enig, 1998). In fact, Dr. White in 1956 explained:
“See here, I began my practice as a cardiologist in 1921 and I never saw an [heart attack] patent until 1928. Back in the MI-free days before 1920, the fats were butter and lard and I think that we would all benefit from the kind of diet that we had at a time when no one had ever heard the word corn oil.” Enig, 1998) |
In a pattern that continues to the current day, such evidence was ignored.
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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Now we get to the US National Diet-Heart Study.
| They involved insurance companies, the Federal Government including the Census Bureau, and many food companies—to make the synthetic foods deemed necessary. Since natural foods don’t have high levels of linoleic and low levels of saturated fat, what was required was a menu of ultra-processed foods, where the levels and types of fat were altered to match the prescription. |
The longest-term part of that study became known as the Minnesota Coronary Experiment (MCE)
| Ending in 1973, the outcome of the MCE was consistent with the earlier experiments: the group that received the treatment did worse. What’s worse, is that they did worse in proportion to how effective the treatment was at lowering their cholesterol. What’s even worse, is that instead of being forthcoming about the results, the authors initially claimed that there was no effect (Ahrens, 1976), and then didn’t publish the results for 16 years, until 1989 (Frantz, 1989); and even then didn’t fully disclose the results, which had to await the forensic efforts of (Ramsden, 2016), 46 years later. |
If the experiment doesn't produce the expected results, what do you do?
| “When I asked Frantz [the principal investigator of the MCE] in late 2003 why the study went unpublished for sixteen years, he said, ‘We were just disappointed in the way it came out.’” (Taubes, 2008) |
Put the results on a shelf to gather dust.
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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By the time these results finally were unearthed, the debate was considered to have long been settled, and the cardiology profession was so committed to this harmful prescription that it has been unable to admit error.
| When a study finally came along that offered a massive 70% reduction in heart disease (de Lorgeril, 1994), the ‘authorities’ could only ignore that a key element of the study was a rejection of the idea that linoleic acid could improve heart disease (Kris-Etherton, 2001) |
The decades were rolling by.
| In 1990 Brown and Goldstein acknowledged that it was linoleic acid that became modified, specifically, oxidized, and this change altered the LDL to become atherogenic (Brown, 1990). Linoleic acid is the most common fat in the LDL molecule (Goldstein, 1977), and as it can only come from the diet, this finally explained the connection between seed oils and heart disease. |
The paper from which they took this information was titled “Beyond Cholesterol”, as it finally (one would think) allowed Cardiology to move beyond the failed Diet-Heart Hypothesis (Steinberg, 1989).
So we are left with a situation where:
1) we have evidence for the role of seed oils as a cause of heart disease,
2) where there is essentially no other theory presented for causation, and yet
3) the health authorities continue to recommend a hypothesis they themselves debunked decades ago.
Nothing to see here, move along please.
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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My breakfast this morning?
Full fat bacon with scrambled eggs made with butter and full-fat milk.
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Brian Ambrose
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I must have missed this chat. I am an expert on cholesterol and statins (and many other stupid health recommendations.) But you’ve probably covered it already.
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Ishmael
In: Toronto
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This is great stuff!
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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My main concern now is not myself, it's my daughter.
Who is on a vegetarian diet that includes a lot of ultra-processed meat substitutes.
I have not yet found a safe kind way of telling her:
"You are getting very fat"
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Mick Harper
Site Admin
In: London
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I have had similar troubles with various of my young ingénues. The basic problem is they have grown up in a determinedly asexual world. When I warn them that young men will vote with their penises and go elsewhere, they shrug, 'Good riddance to such sexist beasts.'
They think there are asexual men out there (or women, if they decide to go that way) because they believe the standard propaganda. They then seek solace in more food when the tragic truth is vouchsafed to them. Not in the arms of older men though, I've noticed.
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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| Mick Harper wrote: | | When I warn them that young men will vote with their penises and go elsewhere, they shrug, 'Good riddance to such sexist beasts.' |
A short while ago, I somehow got talking about this with my son. It seems like there are a lot of very confused young men out there. Confused by the messages that they are "all" misogynistic and can't be trusted.
He had to explain to his doddery old dad what "MGTOW" means. It doesn't sound good. More like a way of alienating each side, and making things more extreme, with even less productive communication.
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Brian Ambrose
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There was some mention here about vegetable oils. I may be duplicating here, but these ‘healthy’ oils are the opposite. Firstly, oils like sunflower are highly processed and have only been used in the last few decades, and parallels the rise of health issues. Secondly, they are 6 omegas, which natural oils like olive are very healthy, too much is not. We need a mix of omega 3s and other oils and saturated fats too. If you use ‘healthy’ oils like sunflower in cooking (and just about every convenient product in the supermarket) you are probably getting massively overdosed of it.
Also cholesterol has been demonised for decades. It is known that cholesterol is essential in just about every process in the body. The liver works hard to make it - it’s that important. Cholesterol does not cause heart disease, it does.not block the arteries and you don’t need statins. And there’s no such a thing as good and bad cholesterol - each type is important.
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Mick Harper
Site Admin
In: London
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You make it sound that oil is the new salt. It's all very well making these sweeping recommendations--I do it all the time--but hard science is in as short supply in these areas as common sense. 'These areas' being substances that are being trialled on a daily basis by billions of people.
For instance, olive oil must get a tick on the basis of (a) longevity of trial (b) apparent benefits of a 'Mediterranean diet' (c) relative lack of processing and (d) taste, but a cross in the 'ease of use for frying' column. It always sets off my smoke alarm. I'm sure you're right about
| We need a mix of omega 3s and other oils and saturated fats too |
but personally I'm at the mercy of Tesco who are at the mercy of government agricultural subsidies for my permanent diet of Anchor spreadable and a litre of processed rapeseed (or A N Other) that lasts for several months.
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