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N R Scott
In: Middlesbrough
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Going back to maypoles, I was wondering if maypole and maple were synonyms. The idea of going round the maypole inspired by the twirling Sycamore seeds (Scottish maple) that fascinated us all in childhood.
...from Witchipedia;
| Maple is excellent for wands, staffs and maypoles. |
http://www.witchipedia.com/herb:maple
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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| N R Scott wrote: | | Also tournament is another turn word. |
The common suffix TN/DN in place names signifies turn....
When you travel inland, you use hills.
Orthodoxy has the static dun=hill
dun/ton=turn ....a turning off a hill, or another feature to a settlement.
Hence the Harris correlation....
London=A settlement on the banks of a Long Turn in the river.
Orthodoxy cannot see the famous bend as it is looking for a hill......
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Ishmael
In: Toronto
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Sorry Coyote. A brilliant idea but you have so much more that needs encompassing than the "turn" concept will embrace.
All of these words have their origin in one word: Ton, Town, Dun, Down, Don, Zone, Tsar, Stan...and the list goes on and on.
So what concept do all of them share at the basest level?
The principle of division---the notion of one thing existing in isolation from all else that is. In fact our English words "that", "this", "the", are derived also from this same root---all words that designate a "thing" (another form of the same root, but with a special suffix) separated out for particular consideration.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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It is going well....but....
You might want to keep a hidden card up your sleeve... Scotty........
You might need it later.....
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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| N R Scott wrote: |
Maybe this is why May Day was prohibited and clamped down on by Protestant states. Maybe they were magnets for chivalrous upstarts and rallying points for rebellion. If you wanted law and order it was probably best to get rid of them. |
Quite right, can't have people enjoying themselves or deciding what's best (tongue-in-check icon). In Britain, c.1650, wasn't it was the Puritans and Roundheads who most especially got uptight about MayDay and May Poles? Too much fertility rites and pagan symbolism for their liking. Along with burning witches to cleanse their souls. Which may have led to the decline of Druidism for the next 200 years.
But those country bumpkins got their own back. See The Wicker Man.
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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JOKE ALERT
Oh dear. Just had a flashback. Part of my pagan youth was mis-spent in West Country Folk Clubs, drinking cider. Oo-ah!
From which I have a strong memory of folk songs full of double-entendre fertility stuff. Things like willow wands bending before the woodman's knife, and tangled thickets parting before the forest fire. It was enough to make a fair damsel blush.
Then there was that absolutely disgusting song by Steeleye Span
All around my hat I will wear the green willow
And all around my hat for a twelve month and a day
And if anyone should ask me the reason why I'm wearing it
It's all for my true love who's far, far away
Quite obviously a song about a brazen hussy exposing her vagina and pubic hair.
Wicker and willow's got a lot to answer for.
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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In any case, MayDay was just the polite version of Beltane.
Once again folk in Devon & Cornwall are showing their shared heritage with the Scots, by being the leading Beltane Revival areas in the UK.
e.g. http://thealmostorganictraveller.com/2012/05/10/edinburgh-beltane-fire-festival/
[img]http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_a/0_around_edinburgh_-_calton_hill_beltane_06_009119_1024.jpg width="600"[/img]
That's the politest image. I wouldn't want my son to see the rest.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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You can't keep this great man down.
The whole world..... has the green (young) willow (will) as a symbol of willing....overcoming the loss....of a mythical "true love."
Not Boro....
What would he make of "Little Willey" by the Sweet?
Or "Wherever I lay (sic) my hat, that's my home" by Paul Young?
Lest we forget.......Somerset's finest.
I drove my tractor through your haystack last night
(ooh aah ooh aah)
I threw me pitchfork at your dog to keep quiet
(ooh aah ooh aah)
Now something's telling me
That you'm avoiding me
Come on now darling you've got something I need
[Chorus] Cuz I got a brand new combine harvester
An' I'll give you the key
Come on now let's get together
In perfect harmony
I got twenty acres
An' you got forty-three
Now I got a brand new combine harvester
An' I'll give you the key
Keep it up (All night long) Boro......
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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What did I do wrong?
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Chad
In: Ramsbottom
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| Boreades wrote: | What did I do wrong?
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Don't use the Img button... (Press Quote to view my script).
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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| Wile E. Coyote wrote: | You can't keep this great man down.
Keep it up (All night long) Boro...... |
All Night Long?
Was Lionel Richie into Maypoles as well?
Yeah, once you get started you can't sit down
Come join the fun, it's a merry-go-round
Everyone's dancing their troubles away
Come join our party, See how we play!
Err, thanks, but I think I need to add a "Joke Alert" icon to some of my posts. Just in case anyone made the mistake of taking anything I say too seriously. My children certainly don't make that mistake. They laughed when I said I wanted to be a comedian. They're not laughing now.
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Ishmael
In: Toronto
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We also have the verb "Carouse" (to make a lot of noise socializing in a rough manner).
Is there a relationship with Chorus and Choral? Choirs are typically arranged in rows, not circles.
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N R Scott
In: Middlesbrough
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| Ishmael wrote: | | Is there a relationship with Chorus and Choral? |
When I looked up Carol and Chorus I got dancing in a circle.
carol (n.)
c.1300, "joyful song," also "dance in a ring," | |
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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| Ishmael wrote: | We also have the verb "Carouse" (to make a lot of noise socializing in a rough manner).
Is there a relationship with Chorus and Choral? Choirs are typically arranged in rows, not circles. |
Like stone rows and stone circles?
One indicating a direction from which you shouldn't deviate, the other indicating a place of shelter and social activity. Singing in the round.
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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Anyway, these Beltane Revivalists are getting militant. Something to do with making up for lost time.
One of their Devon crews even has its own website, dancing round stone circles in Devon and Cornwall.
http://www.beltaneborder.co.uk/
Maypoles are for wuzzies.
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