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Mick Harper
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| Mick Harper wrote: | | Steven Avery wrote: | | added: it shows the condition of the parchment and the colour and the ink |
Until someone decides to do a tuppenny-ha'penny carbon test on either the parchment or the ink, this is of total irrelevance. Both could be eighth century, twelfth century, seventeenth century or nineteenth century. Nobody can say which, can they? |
You have a lot of faith in carbon dating?
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"The action of ink upon vellum is peculiar, slow, and gradual, and leads to results which can be measured by time. The action of light and air, and warmth, and moisture, are also remarkably uniform." - p. 490
Journal of Sacred Literature - April, 1863
from the Clerical Journal of Oct 2, 1862
The Codex Sinaiticus and Dr. Simonides
https://books.google.com/books?id=IvkDAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA490
Also in James Keith Elliott, 1982, p. 62-63
See also other sources, including
Nikolai Alexandrovich Morozov (1854-1926) on Sinaiticus,
British Library:
Damaged Books:Preservation & Conservation Guide
Alfred Lucas (1867-1945) book Forensic Chemistry (1921)
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Mick Harper
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| Steven Avery wrote: | | You have a lot of faith in carbon dating? |
I have total faith in carbon dating. I would not like to take issue with whoever created a universe in which chemical isotopes decay in a constant and measurable way.
As far as I know, the only pre-1000 AD artefact of an unchallengeably Christological nature that is claimed to have been carbon-dated is this one in Uppsala University's library
| The Codex Argenteus is a unique, 6th-century handwritten book in Gothic, containing the four Gospels, and is the main source of the Gothic language |
I do not however have total faith in Swedes on the hunt for national creation myths.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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| American neuroscience Professor Bruce Brew: wrote: | | “If a C-14 date supports our theories, we put it in the main text. If it does not entirely contradict them, we put it in a footnote. And if it is completely out of date, we just drop it.†|
It's part of a bigger toolkit to help establish a date.
You test for the amount of carbon stored in an object, and compare to the original amount of carbon believed to have been stored at the time of death, to establish an estimate of age.
Because the start of the process ( the original amount of carbon believed to have been stored at the time of death) is an estimate, the result will only ever be an estimate, irrespective of whether decay is constant........
At least according to AI.
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Mick Harper
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The carbon test is always accurate. True, it is imprecise and has to be reported in terms of plus or minus a number of years, but when it comes to the dating of Roman or Dark Age objects this is immaterial because a fake would be many centuries later. Hence
| Professor Bruce Brew wrote: | | If a C-14 date supports our theories, we put it in the main text. |
C-14 tests are so cheap that if a figure does not appear in the text, eyebrows should be raised.
| If it does not entirely contradict them, we put it in a footnote. |
I have no idea what 'does not entirely contradict' means. If the expected date falls outside the plus-or-minus date, it should not only be in the text, it should be discussed at length.
| And if it is completely out of date, we just drop it. |
If so, Bruce Brew should at the very least lose his professorship.
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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In case anyone wishes to explore the possibility of creating their own "modern" facsimiles of forgeries, here's a very nice little website.
https://psb1558.github.io/Junicode-font/
I have recently stumbled on this while digging for examples of Insular Script, as used by the Hiberno-Scottish Mission. For those of us with an interest in typography, there are a rather wonderful set of display options.
"Insular letter-forms" is the most immediately relevant.
"Long s" and "Contextual long s" are also interesting.
"Alternate Tironian" is a curiosity, suggestive of those Tironensians.
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Mick Harper
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Ah, the Tironensians. We know they are the key to the puzzle but we don't know what the puzzle is.
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