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Wile E. Coyote
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Willibrord= Will Abroad.
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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Will 'e ever. He gets sixteen mentions in Forgeries.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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Lindisfarne looks suspiciously like a version of "fenland" to Wiley, there is a Fenham and Fenwick ashore and it is now a causewayed island.
Maybe ortho is looking at this wrong.
Seems to Wiley that this was an area of fenland.
Saint Cuthbert lived originally on Lindisfarne (in fenland), he appears situated on the mainland.
He later became a hermit on one of the Farne Islands, the (Fen Islands) ie Islands situated off the fens.
Ortho is looking in the wrong place for a fictitious saint?
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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Dun cow is really about fenland reclaimed for pasture isn't it?
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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Could you perhaps explain that for us city folk?
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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Benedict Biscop, you would expect to him be a Benedictine Bishop right?
You would be wrong, he was an abbot.
But was he?
Maybe they (the Benedictines) have created an abbot from a Bishop post facto.
Why?
| Benedict's idea was to build a model monastery for England, sharing his knowledge of the experience of the Church in Europe. It was the first ecclesiastical building in Britain to be built in stone, and the use of glass was a novelty for many in 7th-century England. It eventually possessed what was a large library for the time – several hundred volumes – and it was here that Benedict's student Bede wrote his famous works. |
These stone ecclesiastical buildings don't exist in 7th-century Britain, it looks like something out of the 12th Century?
Could our Benedictine Bishop be from the 11th or 12th Century?
That would mean that Bede was also from this date, which makes sense because he now has a stone eclesiastical building with a library/scriptorium to work from.
Interestingly, Benedict Biscop (c. 628 – 690), is also known as Biscop Baducing.
| It has been suggested that Baducing appears as Biscop Beding, the son of Beda Bubbing, King of Mercia in the Lyndsey/Lindfearnan lists of geneaologies held by the Anglian Collection and great-grandfather of Alfred The Great.[4] |
So our Biscop could also be Bishop Beding whose most famous pupil was The Venerable Bede.......What are the odds?
But why would you turn a Bishop the highest ordained ecclesiastical leader, normally overseeing a diocese and possessing apostolic powers, to a Abbot whose authority is retstricted to a Abbey and a few monks, 500 years earlier?
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Wile E. Coyote
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So how did Biscop end up as Abbot?
| Following the two years in Lérins, Benedict made his third trip to Rome. At this time Pope Vitalian commissioned him to accompany Archbishop Theodore of Tarsus back to Canterbury in 669. On their return Archbishop Theodore appointed Benedict as abbot of SS. Peter and Paul's, Canterbury, a role he held for two years |
Archbishop Theodore of Tarsus, Tarsus eh?
| Theodore grew up in Tarsus, but fled to Constantinople after the Persian Empire conquered Tarsus and other cities. After studying there, he relocated to Rome and was later installed as the Archbishop of Canterbury. |
| Following the two years in Lérins, Benedict made his third trip to Rome. At this time Pope Vitalian commissioned him to accompany Archbishop Theodore of Tarsus back to Canterbury in 669. On their return Archbishop Theodore appointed Benedict as abbot of SS. Peter and Paul's, Canterbury, a role he held for two years |
Theodore, "God's gift", got about, a bit like the Apostle Saul/Paul of Tarsus. Tarsus to Rome. Maybe that's a coincidence. Anyway, the Archbishop makes "Bicop" Abbot of St Peter/St Paul. Maybe that's another. They are mounting up.
Benedict brings his books with him.
Benedict Biscop, the Bibliophile, assembled a library from his travels. His second trip to Rome had been a book-buying trip. Overall, the collection had an estimated 250 titles of mostly service books. The library included scripture, classical, and secular works. |
Yikes, the books are foreign, like the masons, and those who made the stained glass windows.......they are all imported.
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Mick Harper
Site Admin
In: London
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Good spot. Fly away Peter, fly away Paul.
The power abbots had was that they weren't answerable to the national government in the way bishops were. Bishops were part of the local power structure. Abbots in theory answered to the Pope but in reality to the Head of their Order. And even then were often independent franchises. Their similarity to the Templars, Hospitallers etc is striking.
This is why the monasteries got stronger and stronger and the 'Church' weaker and weaker. And of course books (and more widely the bureaucracy) were safe from government control, but only so long as everything was in Latin. Once this monopoly was broken (by whom? we still haven't found out) everything was swept away, at least in the northern half of Europe.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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| In 682 Benedict appointed Eosterwine as his coadjutor and the King was so delighted at the success of St Peter's, he gave him land in Jarrow and urged him to build a second monastery. Benedict erected a sister foundation (St Paul) at Jarrow. He appointed Ceolfrid as the superior, who left Wearmouth with 20 monks to start the foundation in Jarrow. Bede, one of Benedict's pupils, tells us that he brought builders and glass-workers from Francia to erect the buildings in stone.[11][12] |
Benedict does love his foreign stone and glass workers from Francia, it does make you wonder what the locals could be entrusted with.
| He drew up a rule for his community, based on that of Benedict and the customs of seventeen monasteries he had visited. He also engaged Abbot John, Arch-cantor of St. Peter's in Rome, to teach Roman chant at these monasteries |
Francia builders, Roman method of Chant.
It does make you wonder what the rustics made of this? This was after all quality Rome chanting, very different to their Anglo-Saxon open mic night at the mead hall. Clearly impressed, they converted in droves.
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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With the Danes to follow. And the Normans. And the Angevins. Reminds me of introducing an alien predator to get rid of the previous alien predator to get rid of the etc etc.
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Pete Jones
Site Admin
In: Virginia
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Justinian
A name or a description? He's famous for his law code in the 6th century (fictitious century during the dark ages). What are the odds he'd be known for Justice?
Apparently his uncle, for one, name of Justin. A name or a description?
Or maybe his mother was given to think of justice a lot, given her name was Vigilantia. A name or etc etc?
Naming people after after character traits is one thing; naming them before character traits is another.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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| Pete Jones wrote: | Justinian
A name or a description? He's famous for his law code in the 6th century (fictitious century during the dark ages). What are the odds he'd be known for Justice?
Apparently his uncle, for one, name of Justin. A name or a description?
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A world view based on Justin Martyr?
https://archaeologymag.com/2024/09/gold-coins-from-the-time-of-justinian-found-in-bulgaria/
Note the Red Flag | The coins, dating back to the 6th century, were found scattered on the floor of a burned-out dwelling that dates to the time of the Bulgarian Tsars Simeon and Peter, in the 10th century. “ | |
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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| Origen of Alexandria[a] (c. 185 – c. 253),[4] also known as Origen Adamantius, was an early Christian scholar,[7] ascetic,[8] and theologian who was born and spent the first half of his career in Alexandria. He was a prolific writer who wrote roughly 2,000 treatises in multiple branches of theology, including textual criticism, biblical exegesis and hermeneutics, homiletics, and spirituality. He was one of the most influential and controversial figures in early Christian theology, apologetics, and asceticism.[8][9] He has been described by John Anthony McGuckin as "the greatest genius the early church ever produced".[10] |
Origen is the origin.
His treatise On the First Principles systematically laid out the principles of Christian theology and became the foundation for later theological writings.[11] He also authored Contra Celsum, the most influential work of early Christian apologetics. |
Another example of an Apologist would be that of Justin Martyr who argued that Christians were unfairly persecuted for their name and demanded fair trials (justice for Justin) and punishment only for actual wrongdoing, not for the mere label of being a "Christian".
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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It's not writing two thousand treatises that marks Origen out as bogus, it's so many of his treatises surviving* that puts him in the trashcan of history.
* When I say 'surviving', I do not of course mean 'surviving' but copied.**
** When I say, 'copied', I do not of course mean 'copied' but created de novo.
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