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Mick Harper
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It is one thing for the Ivory Tower to parley the odd inscription, a dug-up Minervan head and some dubious coins into a full-blown politico-religious history. But surely they must notice, when it comes to the English Dark Age, they are being 'given the tools so they can finish the job'. Just enough but never too much.
Or are we giving the fakers too much credit? These modern eejits will make a purse out of any sow's ear. What I really detest is they all make the same purse and think scholarship consists of bickering over the colour.
PS Not the same Mike Ashley, I hope.
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Pete Jones
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In: Virginia
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Christopher Columbus, or Cristoforo Colombo, or Colon, or something
I'm starting to despair about this. Colombo or Columbus, is clearly "Dove," just like Columba and Columbanus. And Cristopher means Christ-bearer. Very religious, very predictable for Christian Europe, I suppose.
But Dove? On a sailor? A sailor who is famous for discovering "new" land?
Noah, bored on his ark, sends out the columb three times to search for new land, until it finally comes back with a twig in its beak. Allegedly, Spain sends out a navigator to find India, but it just so happens he finds new land and it just so happens that he is a Dove.
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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He stopped at the Azores and named one of the islands Corvo. Or it may have been the Canaries.
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Wile E. Coyote
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| Columba of Cornwall (Welsh, and in Latin, translated to modern English as dove), also called Columb (English),[1] was a saint from Cornwall who lived in the 6th century. She was born to pagan royalty, but became a Christian after the Holy Spirit, in the form of a dove, appeared to her in a vision. |
Holy Spirit. In Christian thought, the dove is a symbol of the Holy Spirit, most notably associated with the baptism of Jesus. The Holy Spirit also dwells within saints.
| Columba became a Christian when the Holy Spirit appeared to her in a vision, in the form of a dove, promising her love and blessings.[1][3] Her parents arranged a marriage for her to a pagan prince, even though she had taken a vow of virginity and had refused to attend the pagan temple with them; she rejected the marriage, and her parents, who "dissuaded her first with kindness, then with cruelty",[4] imprisoned her. An angel helped her escape and led her into the desert, where she was captured again by a local king, who admired her beauty and grace, and offered to marry her to his son if she renounced her faith.[1][2] She refused, so she was tortured on the breaking wheel and gallows, but she did not die, and was again imprisoned. An angel again helped her escape, and she fled to the coast and boarded a ship that took her to Cornwall at what is now Trevelgue Head (which is translated to English as "red dirt"; Cornish historian Nicholas Orme speculates that this refers to the color of the soil at the site of the martyrdom and the manner in which it took place).[2] The king found her at Ruthvoes in central Cornwall, three km south of St Columb Major and 10.5km east of Newquay, and beheaded her.[1][3][2] She was buried at St Columb Major.[1] |
Helped by Angels. Martyred.
| Most of what is known of Columba is due to two parishes in Cornwall that name her as their patron saint and a manuscript in the collection of the University Library of Cambridge, written by Cornish Roman Catholic activist and scholar Nicholas Roscarrock during the reign of Elizabeth I and based on local tradition. |
Elizabethan age of discovery.
Christian Pilgrims Saints.
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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It's worth pointing out that Cornwall is off the pilgrim beaten track so the normal impulse for creating these saints/myths is absent.
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Pete Jones
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In: Virginia
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From Thomas Fuller's Church History of Britain
From a section called "Yet the Credit of Patrick's being at Glastonbury shrewdly shaken":
(Footnotes are straight from the book, in case they are meaningful to you Brits.)
Here lies the city§ which once was the fountain and original of all religion,* built by Christ's disciples, consecrated by Christ him-self; and this place is the mother of saints." **
We are sorry, therefore, for St. Patrick's sake, if he was never there. To salve all, some have found out another Patrick, called Senior, or Sen Patrick, (a nice difference,) equal with the Irish apostle in time, and not much inferior in holiness, who certainly lived at Glastonbury.
The plain truth is, that, as in the comedian, when there were two Amphitruoes, and two Sosias, they made much fallacious intricacy and pleasant delusion in the eyes of the spectators;
so, there being in this age two Patricks, (others say three,)†two Merlins, two Gildases,§ and (that the homonymy may be as well in place as in persons) three Bangors, || three Glastonburies***; (as haste or ignorance in writers mistake them)
these, jumbled together, have made a marvellous confusion in writers, to the great prejudice of history, where they are not exactly observed. |
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§ Or borough.
* In the charta of king Ina, and also in king Edgar's MALMESBURY MS. De Antiq. Eccles. Glaston.
**So called in the charter of king Kenwin
†Ambrosius Caledonius
§ Albanius, Badonicus
|| In Flintshire, in Carnarvonshire, in Down in Ireland.
*** Glasgow in Scotland. Dunglass in Ireland.
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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Fair point. It's the English equivalent of llan, ville, burg etc. Cities are rare and something else.
| * In the charta of king Ina, and also in king Edgar's MALMESBURY MS. De Antiq. Eccles. Glaston. |
And once the capital of England, or so a beermat stated, in a hotel I once stayed in there.
| **So called in the charter of king Kenwin |
There was a rugby player called Ken Wynn-Jones.
So they've got an Ambrosius too. Must be something in the food.
What's the connection to Gildas? Alban = England and Badonicus = a famous battle.
| || In Flintshire, in Carnarvonshire, in Down in Ireland. |
All three have terrific Megalithic Empire resonances. Including being written in one of them (o.n.o.).
| *** Glasgow in Scotland. Dunglass in Ireland. |
Explanations for the 'glass' in Glastonbury were long a source of merriment for me and Hatty.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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| Tertullian (/tərˈtʌliən/; Latin: Quintus Septimius Florens Tertullianus; c. 155 – c. 220 AD[1]) was a prolific early Christian author from Carthage in the Roman province of Africa.[2][3] He was the first Christian author to produce an extensive corpus of Latin Christian literature and was an early Christian apologist and a polemicist against heresy, including contemporary Christian Gnosticism.[4] |
OK, What about his name?
Quintus Septimius Florens Tertullianus, I can spot three numbers in there. Maybe that's just me.
What's he famous for?
| He is perhaps most famous for being the first writer in Latin known to use the term trinity (Latin: trinitas).[8] |
Pull the other one, you are having a laugh.......
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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Surely Pontius Pilate was the first when arranging the crosses.
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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I am formally entering Pontius Pilate into the mix.
| "Pontius" was his family name (nomen) |
Nothing to do with acting as a bridge between BC and AD then. Not being his family name either
| As punishment he is sent to the island of Pontius, whose inhabitants he subjugates, thus acquiring the name Pontius Pilate. |
As for Pilatus...
| Pilatus might mean "skilled with the javelin (pilum)" |
No kid. Like the 'spear of destiny' that was used officially to kill Jesus, you mean? Could be... or maybe the Phrygian bonnet adopted by French revolutionaries to celebrate being freed from the curse of Roman Christianity, overweening kings, mad philologists etc
| it could also refer to the pileus or Phrygian cap | |
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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Cleopatra = Glory to her Father .
Good news, Gospel etc
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Pete Jones
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In: Virginia
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Eusebii
Wikipedia lists a bunch. All of their deaths occurred between 268AD and 555AD, a roughly 300 year chunk. Then there are no famous Eusebii until 1081AD.
I don't know what to make of that, but the 300 year chunk is one of the dark age chunks that needed to be filled with history. Maybe the monks who were assigned to create the forged histories for this chunk had some reason for using the name a lot (but the monks doing the 600-900AD chunk didn't).
And I didn't know St Jerome was a Eusebius, too.
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Pete Jones
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In: Virginia
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And regarding that Hwaethberht, of Monkwearmouth-Jarrow who used Eusebius as a pen name: the story of the monk himself comes from Bede. Russian dolls of forgeries?
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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As far as I'm concerned Eusebio refers to Eusébio da Silva Ferreira, a Portuguese footballer, considered to be one of the greatest players of all time, and who gave England a hard time in the semi-final of the 1966 World Cup.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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One of the most inventive of the early ecclesiastical chronologists, who still remains largely unknown to Ortho, was Immanuel Switcheroo.
Well worth a look.
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