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Mick Harper
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I have returned to this after several years because of my recent effusions about Profumo (over on the Terrorist thread, for some reason) to see if there are any lessons to be learned. After watching a fairly heavyweight two-hour re-investigation (my only formal exposure since the events themselves) it turns out that Ishmael's theories might be rather prescient.
1. The programme came to the cautious conclusion that Kennedy couldn't have been in the car when it went over and under. Their scenario is that Kennedy and Mary Jo were nookying in the car by the side of the road, the police car that reported seeing the car was spotted in the rear view mirror and Kennedy, not wishing to be caught over the limit and with a woman not his wife, took off like a bat out of hell. Up the road apiece, he got out and told Mary Jo to take the car to wherever. She, being drunk and unfamiliar with the roads, took the wrong turning and drove off the bridge. Kennedy knew nothing about any of this until the next morning.
2. This, in my opinion, suffers from over-elaboration and under-motivation, though does not contradict any major facts and does explain some minor ones.
3. Ishmael's idea of Mary Jo dying earlier at the party allows for the body being sat in the car and then the car being driven off the bridge (tricky but do-able especially given Kennedy's access to all kinds of emergency expertise).
4. It is supported by the Kennedy clan moving might and main (and Pennsylvania where the inquest was held, it being Mary Jo's home state) to ensure no autopsy was done despite various parents, coroners, judges and the entire US population demanding one. Presumably it would have revealed the drugs and/or auto-asphyxiation.
Real conspiracy theorists should note it was the night of the Moon landing. Probably the Kennedys faked it to distract attention.
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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Strange events in the Kennedy clan continued down the female side of the family.
Rosemary Kennedy (daughter of Joseph Kennedy)
| her father arranged a lobotomy on her in 1941, when she was 23 years of age. The procedure left her permanently incapacitated and rendered her unable to speak intelligibly. |
Another daughter, Kathleen Agnes Kennedy, married Peter Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, the 8th Earl Fitzwilliam, who had been active in the SOE. They both died in a plane crash.
Robert Kennedy's daughter Courtney married Paul Michael Hill, one of the Guildford Four. Their daughter Saoirse (Gaelic for "freedom"), died from a suspected drugs overdose.
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Ishmael
In: Toronto
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| Mick Harper wrote: | | 1. The programme came to the cautious conclusion that Kennedy couldn't have been in the car when it went over and under. Their scenario is that Kennedy and Mary Jo were nookying in the car by the side of the road, the police car that reported seeing the car was spotted in the rear view mirror and Kennedy, not wishing to be caught over the limit and with a woman not his wife, took off like a bat out of hell. Up the road apiece, he got out and told Mary Jo to take the car to wherever. She, being drunk and unfamiliar with the roads, took the wrong turning and drove off the bridge. Kennedy knew nothing about any of this until the next morning. |
I saw this very same documentary many years ago. It is an obvious attempt to clear the Kennedy name.
The handbag is the smoking gun. No woman ever forgets her handbag.
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Mick Harper
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You will have to remind me what this means (I accept the premise).
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Ishmael
In: Toronto
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I've decided I'm going to make the Capaquidick incident the subject of my third book---and a direct followup to Titanic. It's unfortunate I've fully spelled-out the thesis on this site already but, I didn't realize its value when I first outlined it.
You can review the details simply with a quick read of the fifth post I made to this thread (on the first page).
But it was the handbag that made it all make sense for me. Few men know females well enough to understand just how impossible it is for a woman to leave a party without it, which is why the (male) police at the time (and masculine investigators ever since) have overlooked the importance of the clue.
It is simply impossible that Mary Jo would have left that party, in a conscious state, and neglect to take her handbag. I knew then that she left already dead. That this then explained the entire story was simply the cherry on top of what was, in my mind, already a closed case.
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Mick Harper
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| I've decided I'm going to make the Capaquidick incident the subject of my third book---and a direct followup to Titanic. It's unfortunate I've fully spelled-out the thesis on this site already but, I didn't realize its value when I first outlined it. |
Feel free to remove it to the closed book section. Or, in extremis, remove it entirely. But do not suppose very many people read it then or can remember it now. Assume the total is between nought and one.
| You can review the details simply with a quick read of the fifth post I made to this thread (on the first page). |
I have. You may have to 'deal with' Natalie too.
| But it was the handbag that made it all make sense for me. Few men know females well enough to understand just how impossible it is for a woman to leave a party without it, which is why the (male) police at the time (and masculine investigators ever since) have overlooked the importance of the clue. |
Excellently AE.
| It is simply impossible that Mary Jo would have left that party, in a conscious state, and neglect to take her handbag. I knew then that she left already dead. That this then explained the entire story was simply the cherry on top of what was, in my mind, already a closed case. |
I look forward to your book being widely ignored. (Unless you make a pseudo-AI version.)
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