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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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Wiltshire, or Dorset, or Gloucester, or Wales. Whichever one you fancy.
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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You must tell us. The Welsh could be said to be speaking Brythonic, but the Normans didn't really get to grips with Wales. Wiltshire, Dorset and Gloucester were filled exclusively by people speaking English (whether you care to call it Old or not).
Since Avons occur all over, this is not an unimportant question.
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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The trouble is, these "River River"'s are all over the place. I know of examples in all the places mentioned, there may well be more, and I have no idea which specific example would be the most relevant. Perhaps the Normans were early adopters of dual-language signs?
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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My theory is avon=even
They were all easy to navigate.
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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Not bad at all. (Have you checked whether they are?) I suppose the Kennet & Avon probably is.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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I think mostly so but I suppose you also have to consider whether this would need to apply to whole of the length? As some pedant will point out, not between so and so. It's really got to be between the key points across the megalithic empire.
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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I largely concur though, in their natural state, not many British rivers are navigable for not much of their lengths. But then again there aren't that many Avons so... maybe so. They should be added to that other mysteriously etymological category: rivers flowing into the North Sea beginning with T.
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Boreades
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Rivers flowing into the North Sea beginning with T?
Perhaps they all get named by folks in Yorkshire.
T' ay
T' weed
T' rent
T' yne
Not sure about
T' hames
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Mick Harper
Site Admin
In: London
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Why, what's wrong with the Thames? Add in Tees, Teviot and Tay. Looking through the lists I was rather struck by how infrequently rivers begin with a T.
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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Maybe it was the Romans asking Yorkshire folk for the name of their rivers.
Quid est nomen illius fluminis?
"It's t' Evoit"
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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Re Thames
I've a vague memory of this being a topic on TME.
How did we get from "The Isis" to "Thames"?
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Hatty
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In: Berkshire
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How did we get from "The Isis" to "Thames"?
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I think the link might have been 'Tamesis' (or Thamesis). The problem is that the earliest reference to Tamesis is said to have been c/o Julius Caesar and as we have discussed elsewhere there are no manuscripts of his work before the 12th century.
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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Humans made fire 350,000 years earlier than we thought, scientists discover
Fire-cracked flint and heated sediments have been found at a disused clay pit in Suffolk Agencies |
A coupla caveats not mentioned in the excitement
1. These were Neanderthal deposits. However you care to define Neanderthals you should not refer to them as humans in an 'earlier than we thought' context without making it clear that it is not part of 'the Human story'.
2. 'Suffolk' is supposed to be within the Ice Age zone c 15,000 BP i.e. north of the current Thames Valley. Weight of glacial ice always destroys earlier archaeology so something will have to give.
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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| Mick Harper wrote: | | However you care to define Neanderthals you should not refer to them as humans in an 'earlier than we thought' context without making it clear that it is not part of 'the Human story'. |
Have you had your DNA tested lately? Interbreeding of Neanderthals with "us humans" is now so well genetically proven that DNA test companies even offer it as a standard package.
e.g.
https://livingdna.com/uk/kit/ancestry-neanderthal
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Mick Harper
Site Admin
In: London
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I still refuse to accept this. I agree my position may be untenable but there it is.
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