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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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This documentary cost £100.00 its by Guy Rowland, its called "the botched investigation of Lucy Letby" and its a fscinating insight, into how the start of the investigation occurred, things like why the Police switched from seeking assistance from a multi-discplinary team of experts, to going with a single ex pediatrician backed up by the hospital consultants who were actually under fire for poor medical care........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2Ed565aCm8
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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One critical step was slightly sidestepped I thought. The (impressive, unless you knew) copper-in-charge mentioned at one point they had been given Letby's name before anything substantive had been put in train, and later insisted they had come to the Lucy conclusion by their own means of deductive elimination. We all here know that is fatal.
It would be nice to find out why the police gave this particular documentary-maker such unprecedented co-operation. Is, for example, interrogation footage now public product? If so, it should be up on the internet in its entirety for nerds to pore over.
True, the Netflix name may have had more allure than 'I'm trying to sell it to ITV' but they must have known at this late stage in the cycle, they would be getting a roasting.
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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From what we did see, Letby herself came across as very innocent. Or, as may be, is a consummate actress.* It would be interesting to hear whether any of the individual police interrogators noticed any difference between her and their usual suspects.
* Or, as also may be, my a priori opinions are getting in the way.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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| Guardian wrote: |
A doctor who gave crucial expert evidence about insulin poisoning for the prosecution of the nurse Lucy Letby was under investigation by the medical regulator at the time due to serious concerns about his fitness to practise.
The General Medical Council (GMC) opened an investigation into concerns about Prof Peter Hindmarsh, including that he had harmed patients, on the first day he gave evidence at Letby’s trial in late 2022. |
Its a story in the Guardian, Dr Hindmarsh gets fired from Britain's most prestigious children's hospital, Great Ormond Street, the General Medical Council then open an investigation into Dr Hindmarsh. The trial starts none the wiser. After the trial has started Hindmarsh evetually tells police and prosecutors that he is being investigated. Then the prosecution, after another 3 monthe finally tell the defence, that their lead insulin expert is being investigated.
What happened to this lead expert? You are guessing he was cleared ? Wrong......
| the GMC investigation was never concluded, because Hindmarsh removed himself from the GMC register, a process known as “voluntary erasure”. |
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/mar/03/lucy-letby-case-expert-witness-peter-hindmarsh-was-under-fitness-to-practise-investigation-during-trial
Was the jury misled?
When he was first introduced in court by the prosecution’s lead barrister, Nick Johnson KC, Hindmarsh confirmed he was a consultant at UCLH. Johnson then asked him: “Are you an honorary consultant at Great Ormond Street hospital though?” Hindmarsh replied: “Yes. At that stage, yes.”
It is unclear what Hindmarsh meant, since Johnson had not referred to any previous stage or phase in his career. Hindmarsh did not say his contract at Great Ormond Street had been terminated, and this was never clarified to the jury.
Neither were they informed of the allegations of professional misconduct against him. In the months before he gave evidence, UCLH had been leading a formal investigation into Hindmarsh. |
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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The prosecution should have been prosecuted but in this country 'quis custodiet ipsos custodes?' is not applied to ours.
PS The police are fond of letting their rotten apples retire on full pension rather than face the music.
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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Two developments this week. Letby killed some of the babies by insulin poisoning. The jury had difficulty with one case because she hadn't been on duty at the time. That one needed a retrial but Lucy was still convicted because the baby died of insulin poisoning and it was hardly likely two baby killers were active on the ward at the same time.
A paper has just come out in the peer-reviewed Journal of Diabetes Science and Technology showing babies can have all the symptoms of insulin poisoning without being given any insulin at all! In ordinary circumstances this would be sufficient grounds for appeal. But since this was a retrial and Letby is serving so many life sentences anyway, they probably won't bother.
The other breakthrough comes courtesy of the long awaited and slow-starting Lady Justice Thirlwell enquiry. Putting the mountains of evidence together for her honour, someone noted an email from one of the doctors confirming that Letby had called him about Baby K despite the same doctor being categorical during the trial she had done no such thing. Worse, he said in the witness box it was this omission that aroused his suspicion about the nurse in the first place.
OK, just another loose end the jury had to consider. The problem was the email was from a stash of evidence that hadn't been disclosed to the defence. And this one would have been a proverbial coach and horses. But sleep tight, Lucy, it can't be used as a basis for an appeal until the enquiry has reported, and that's years away.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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Worse, he said in the witness box it was this omission that aroused his suspicion about the nurse in the first place.
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The Consultant testified at Thirlwell along the lines, that he, Dr Jayaram had been sitting outside the nursery reading medical notes when he realised Letby was alone with Child K and decided to go in "just to make sure everything was fine", he did not report what he found, ie Lucy doing nothing, despite being with a deteriatiang baby and a tube dislodged.....
He subsequently accepts that he should have informed people what he saw.
"I should have been braver and should have had more courage because it was not just an isolated thing. There was already a lot of other information."
The email sent by the Consultant to staff (referring to himself in the third person) presents a different picture of what happened.
"Staff nurse Letby at incubator and called Dr Jayaram to inform of low saturations."
So you have two explanations.
1) Letby raises the alarm to which the consultant responds normal practice... (email)
2) The consultant based on his previous corcerns, walks in on gut instinct, and so catches Letby out, not responding to a crisis, or raising the alarm. (verbal evidence)
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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Its disappointing that with over £15 million spent, Thirlwell is so delayed.
The spiralling costs and delays of Enquiries is becoming a scandal in itself
We need a Enquiry into this, but ....
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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There's a bit of a backlog for all the enquiries into malpractices at various NHS maternity units. Or maybe they've given up on them. Or maybe daren't go ahead with them.
The truth is that the NHS model is way out of date. It was OK--actually more than that--when health provision expectations were pretty basic and a national scheme was feasible. Now, the whole thing is so unwieldy it has devolved into local satrapies under the control of whoever among the local management and consultants is ruling the local roost.
All the Department of Health in London can do is eke a bit more out of the Treasury and give everyone a handout, while stepping in when a local hospital group either runs out of money or runs out of public trust. The GP's have been left to make their own arrangements with their patients i.e. make it as hard as possible to see your GP, then you're sent off for hospital tests to get rid of you.
And all this will continue, and continue to get worse, because everyone is obliged to say how much we love our NHS. What we love is 'health care free at the point of delivery'. There are are lots of better ways of providing that.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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GPs.....
They clearly dont want to visit me. They dont want me to visit them, unless I am sick. I dont know whether I am sick enough to visit, so I call 911. They advise me to book an appointent, which I cant get. When I recall 911, they advise me to go to A and E, or a clinic. There I might get the advice I need.
Many folks now skip the GP bit and 911 bit as its easier to move directly onto the attand A and E bit.
The model is failing.
We dont need 911 staff, GP receptionists and GPs as well as A and Es, pharmacies, ambulance staff etc all acting as primary gatekeepers.
I suspect the era of the GP is coming to an end.
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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It's the ability to get any pill you want off the internet that's spelling their doom.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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| Mick Harper wrote: | | It's the ability to get any pill you want off the internet that's spelling their doom. |
There is plenty of room in the market for small friendly generalist garages that give advice, do minor jobs and refer you onto specialst dealers only if needed.
Who in their right minds would go to a garage, that makes it clear they do not to see you, hasnt got an appointment service, or actually thinks its important to run to time, only has a few minutes to talk to you, will only if they decide.... refer you on to another specialist garage to do a repair, or get some further tests done, and btw tells you to look after your car better, and dont drive as fast.
You get good and bad Garages and GP surgeries but.....
The average GP surgery review on Google is 2.81 out of 5 across the UK.
Who would buy a service that is widely reveiwed at 2.81......?
Typical UK Garages on Google 4.3 to 4.5.......
Folks are going to opt out of 2.81 service ie they will find or pay for work arounds......
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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| Wiley wrote: | | There is plenty of room in the market for small friendly generalist garages that give advice, do minor jobs and refer you onto specialst dealers only if needed. |
You have chosen a bad example but I know what you mean. Garages are notoriously unapproachable. They blind you with science in a way GP's have had to give up since we have taken to consulting the internet about our symptoms before visiting them.
And garages never refer you on. They always know exactly what's wrong and will fix it in a jiffy, squire. Come back next week and it'll be as good as new. At least, unlike GP's, they want you to return. (Though that might mean...)
| Who in their right minds would go to a garage, that makes it clear they do not to see you, hasnt got an appointment service, or actually thinks its important to run to time, only has a few minutes to talk to you, will only if they decide.... refer you on to another specialist garage to do a repair, or get some further tests done, and btw tells you to look after your car better, and dont drive as fast. You get good and bad Garages and GP surgeries but..... |
This is what distinguishes Harley Street from NHS GP's. You pay for them to listen at great length. They are not better doctors. (This also applies to complementary medicine.)
What you describe should be a service offered by NHS Direct, or similar. A sort of Samaritans for the sick-but-not-suicidally so. Except maybe it would end up costing even more than the present arrangements. Blimey, how people go on. You wouldn't credit it.
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