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Wile E. Coyote
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Mick Harper
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| Its wealth remained into the 16th century but the abbey was destroyed in 1567 during the Wars of Religion,[5] and although it was restored in 1637, it never regained its former stature. The abbey was dissolved in the French Revolution. |
I'm still at a loss as to how you could persuade anybody that 'an immense hoard of gold, jewels and other treasure' could be found in a cellar at the back in 1653. So it must all be a lot, lot later.
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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Is this topic exclusively about coins?
Or can any scrap metal be mentioned?
e.g. the Melsonby Hoard.
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Mick Harper
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Mr Coyote is in charge of such questions. I don't expect he will mow you down in a hail of dum-dum bullets if you went ahead. But any reasonably-priced flak jacket will take care of that. That's always been the problem with soft-nosed ammunition.
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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Is there a more appropriate topic for scrap metal to be mentioned?
Also known as: Iron Age Hoards.
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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Too late!
The Melsonby Hoard just got mentioned on BBC1 National TV News.
And it was going to be an AEL scoop as well.
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Mick Harper
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I heard something mentioned last night and I thought to myself I wonder if that's what Borry has been banging on about and do you know what? It was. What are the odds?
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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Still a bit unsure why this find is so important.
From a coin perspective I can confirm what you all already knew, ie that Iron Age coins often feature as a common motif horse and chariots, sometimes you just get the horse with wheels, in more abstarct (barbarous) designs these are supposed to be, according to ortho, done by Celtic folks who are copying earlier designs of Macedonian coinage, which it's thought stem from Phillip of Macedon winning the Olympic chariot race.
So I guess Boro's point is that you have this sort of coin recreated as a sort of real size discovered hoard?
https://britisharchaeology.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/henley-hoard.html
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Mick Harper
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The Melsonby Hoard. Why are hoards always found in plangent places that you have nearly heard of? They missed a trick with Wiley's example, 'in a field near Henley, Oxfordshire'.
Jolly boating weather,
And a hay harvest breeze,
Blade on the feather,
Shade off the trees,
Swing swing together,
With your bodies between your knees,
Swing swing together,
With your bodies between your knees.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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The Grouville Hoard (Le Câtillon II) is a hoard of an estimated 70,000 late Iron Age (Celtic) and Roman coins reported in June 2012. They were discovered by metal detectorists Reg Mead and Richard Miles in a field at an undisclosed location in the parish of Grouville on the east side of Jersey in the Channel Islands. It is the largest hoard ever found in Jersey, and the first major archaeological find made by metal detectorists in the island.
The hoard is thought to have belonged to a Curiosolitae tribe fleeing Julius Caesar's armies around 50 to 60 BC.[1][2]
The find was the subject of a BBC Radio 4 programme in November 2021. |
OK so Caesar is sort of committing ethnic genocide, so the curiously named Curiosolitae flee to avoid him by heading off to Jersey.
| Excavation of the pit containing the large hoard has revealed evidence of timber posts, possibly from a hut, and large quantities of burnt daub and late Iron Age and early Roman pottery. The presence of slag and furnace linings along with some coins which have been cut in half, could suggest that the coins were being melted down. It may be that new coins were being minted here.[9] A geophysical survey of the area found anomalies which according to Dr Hervé Duval-Gatignol, Société Jersiaise’s archaeologist, "could represent part of a rectilinear enclosure consistent with known forms of rural settlements of late Iron Age date in Armorica."[10] |
What's this, the Romans caught them up (Roman pottery), or maybe were already there(?). Anyway the Curiosolitae came up with the cunning idea of either hoarding their coinage (traditional reason for hoards is to hide and come back later) in amongst Roman pottery ware (Cunning) or maybe even melt it down to, err, prevent the Romans in situ identifying them in the future as Curiosolite (Very cunning).
Learning.....
It's always a flag when archaeologists excavating a "celtic" hoard have to cut through a layer of domestic Roman remains.
| A geophysical survey of the area found anomalies which according to Dr Hervé Duval-Gatignol, Société Jersiaise’s archaeologist, "could represent part of a rectilinear enclosure consistent with known forms of rural settlements of late Iron Age date in Armorica."[10] |
Only a 'could'. Keep trying........
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Mick Harper
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Me and Hatty have been trying to get the archaeo-mob to understand the significance of this particular find for yonks. [Biggest in Jersey? Biggest a lot wider than that.] We've even been in contact with some of the principals. They are not for moving.
Where's Bergerac when you need him? Not the new series, it's rubbish.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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Mick has a thread on the purpose of AE.
How did images and legends on Augustan coins serve as tools for propaganda and legitimisation of Augustus’ power?
Augustus often inscribed coins with titles and phrases that emphasised his divine connection and leadership.
For instance, coins were marked with the legend “Divi Filius,” meaning “Son of the Divine,” to highlight his status as the adopted son of Julius Caesar, who had been deified. Another legend was “Pater Patriae,” or “Father of the Country ”
According to Bede, 180 years later, after his arrival, St Augustine brought a similar message. Or is that just Wiley?
Not to be confused (ha) with Augustine, one of the four fathers of the western church.
Just saying.
Again.
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Mick Harper
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There is a later section in Forgeries that covers a possibly deliberate conflation of Augustine of Canterbury with Augustine of Hippo. Though a conflation with Augustus, the First Emperor of Rome, had not occurred to me.
PS The Harper of Notting Hill c. 2016 is not to be confused with the the Harper of Notting Hill c. 2025. The latter knows a good deal more than the former. Or so he thinks. We can all keep our own counsel on this.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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| wiki Priene calendar inscription wrote: |
The inscription features the Greek term εὐαγγέλιον, evangelion, meaning "good news," which is the term translated into English as "gospel".[14] The reference occurs in a section of the text recording a speech by the high priest of the conventus, Apollonius of Azania in Caria:
It seemed good to the Greeks of Asia, in the opinion of the high priest Apollonius of Menophilus Azanitus: “Since Providence, which has ordered all things and is deeply interested in our life, has set in most perfect order by giving us Augustus, whom she filled with virtue that he might benefit humankind, sending him as a savior, both for us and for our descendants, that he might end war and arrange all things, and since he, Caesar, by his appearance (excelled even our anticipations), surpassing all previous benefactors, and not even leaving to posterity any hope of surpassing what he has done, and since the birthday of the god Augustus was the beginning of the good tidings [εὐαγγέλιον] for the world that came by reason of him,” which Asia resolved in Smyrna.[1][15]
As exemplified in the Calendar Inscription of Priene, this Koine Greek term εὐαγγέλιον was used at the time of the Roman Empire to herald the good news of the arrival of a kingdom - the reign of a king that brought a war to an end, so that all people of the world who surrendered and pledged allegiance to this king would be granted salvation from destruction.[citation needed] The Calendar Inscription of Priene speaks of the birthday of Caesar Augustus as the beginning of the gospel announcing his kingdom, with a Roman decree to start a new calendar system based on the year of Augustus Caesar's birth. Some Christian historians have compared this with the opening of the Gospel of Mark: "The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God." Mark 1:1 |
Wiley thinks that some Church Historians' are not always wrong.
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Mick Harper
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Harper thinks Wiley sticking a whole gobbet of Wiki something or other without comment is always wrong. It is against AEL rules.
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