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Boreades
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| Grant wrote: | I had three vaccine shots because I wanted to holiday abroad.
Then, for the first time last year, I caught Covid. Everyone I know has had several jabs and also has caught Covid, sometimes several times.
What’s the point in a vaccination which doesn’t stop you catching the disease? |
Oh dear.
Sorry I didn't tell you months ago. The latest career-limiting information in medical circles is that the more jabs and booster you have, the more likely you are to get Covid, and it takes longer to get rid of it.
| Cleveland study conducted to demonstrate the clinical effectiveness of the bivalent vaccines accidentally finds that the risk of Covid-19 infection increases with each prior vaccination |
How so?
| The association of increased risk of COVID-19 with higher numbers of prior vaccine doses in our study, was unexpected. A simplistic explanation might be that those who received more doses were more likely to be individuals at higher risk of COVID-19. A small proportion of individuals may have fit this description. However, the majority of subjects in this study were generally young individuals and all were eligible to have received at least 3 doses of vaccine by the study start date, and which they had every opportunity to do. … This is not the only study to find a possible association with more prior vaccine doses and higher risk of COVID-19. |
https://www.eugyppius.com/p/cleveland-study-conducted-to-demonstrate
Sorry, I've forgotten how to set the size of images.
I'm pretty sure we had this kind of conversation 10 years ago over Tamiflu. Same back then, it didn't stop you getting the flu then either.
Recommended viewing
Neil Oliver Interviews Dr. John Campbell ~
John Campbell describes his journey from trusting the official narrative to his current views.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM6TSWzw66U
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Boreades
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Not that it helps us...
| Covid booster doses will no longer be available to healthy people under 50 from next month, the Government has said. The reason given by the JCVI, the Government’s vaccine advisory body, is because “the transition continues away from a pandemic emergency response towards pandemic recovery”. |
Shifting the policy goal posts is a good way of deflecting attention from a signiifcant change in the medical advice.
| The British government had data in October showing nearly identical rates of Covid hospitalizations in vaccinated and unvaccinated people during the summer 2022 Omicron wave. In some age and risk groups, vaccinated people had higher rates of hospitalization than the unjabbed. For example, healthy 40 to 49-year-olds were more likely to be hospitalized with severe Covid if they had received one or two jabs than none. |
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/british-government-data-reveal-very
Lest we forget: the lockdown was never on medical advice, it was from the Nudge Unit, psychologists and "social scientists" eager to control people's behaviour.
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Mick Harper
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The FBI coming out in favour of the 'It escaped from a Wuhan lab' theory means it is time for some re-assessment. First, my own. When I heard, my first thought was, "What took them so long?" My second thought was, "How long did it take me?" I suppose I could wend my way back through the posts in this thread and find out but I won't in case my own record is bad.
However I feel entitled to comment on the 'scientists sign letter denouncing lab theory as a conspiracy theory' at the time. This can now be seen as a straight political move since it was right after (President) Donald Trump coming out in favour of the ... er... conspiracy theory. And it was a conspiracy theory at the time, though as AE is always pointing out 'conspiracy-theorists are people too'.
Of course the matter is by no means settled -- the FBI itself place their theory as being quite low-order in terms of evidence -- but the real question is whether the world accepts it as best-case. If so, the Chinese government (who must know the truth) ought to be getting a good deal of stick from now on. Though all the signs point to it being a case of 'better not bell the cat on this one'.
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Mick Harper
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Victim Culture Strikes Again
Why is Boris Johnson apologising for saying that Long Covid was bollocks? It was a perfectly proper thing to say at the time -- and a great many more qualified people than him were saying it. Now I've no idea whether Long Covid does or does not exist. It is true that Covid sufferers have experienced long-term and unpleasant symptoms since contracting the disease but -- as far as I know -- whether this is directly linked to Covid itself has not been established.
But that's not the point. Johnson was entitled to his opinion at the time. If people are going to have to abase themselves every time this or that reasonable assumption turns out to be a wrong assumption, nobody is going to do anything at all.
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Mick Harper
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Day Two and Boris is pressed on remarks like "let the virus rip", "they have had a good innings" and "most people who die have reached their time anyway". Since this was when he had been informed that the average age of Covid fatalities was eighty-four, he had a point. But of course nobody in public life is supposed to air such sentiments and Johnson was suitably contrite and apologetic. There was no reason for this. All publicly provided health services are built on the principle.
I will give you a small illustration of how it works from my own experience. My mother, in her nineties, collapsed and was rushed to (the extremely well-appointed) Dorchester General where, as it happens, several of her relatives worked. We were told via the family grapevine that the necessary complex heart operations are never performed on anybody over sixty. Officially because they were considered too frail to survive the rigours of the operation, but actually because 'it was uneconomic'. Mum was put on a 'care only' ward and nature would dictate whether she came out. As she had previously signed a 'non-resuscitation' card, this was in any case unlikely.
Accordingly dozens of us made a beeline for Dorchester General and took up noisy residence in our normal jackdaws-in-a-tree fashion. Suddenly a consultant wandered along to us and announced Daphne would be operated on after all. Which she was successfully and lived another good few years. I don't believe she should have been but who am I to make a fuss?
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Brian Ambrose
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Nowadays, if you manage get to speak to a GP, usually you’ve got a ‘virus’ so, nothing you can do (ie I don’t have a clue, but there’s a lot of it around.) Handy, ain’t it?
Are ‘viruses’ even real? I’ve read that no virus has ever been isolated or demonstrated in action. Obviously, there is something we share, but what? Low vitamin D is one culprit (flu mainly hits in winter - do Floridians get flu?).
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Boreades
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| Brian Ambrose wrote: | | Are ‘viruses’ even real?. |
Whisper it quietly, but if you are on the GMC Register, you can get struck-off for even asking the question.
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Boreades
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Here's an AEL memory test.
How many can remember the following?
1) Watching YT videos by Dr John Campbell (and others) way back in 2019/20?
2) Noticing that all the videos (back then) were heavily modified by YT to carry big WARNING messages that you were watching a "Vaccine Denier"?
The crucial test is watching any relevant videos now, and noticing what has changed. All the WARNING messages have disappeared.
What has changed?
Has Dr John Campbell (and others) stopped being a "Vaccine Denier"?
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Mick Harper
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The sight of so many governmentally-approved experts sounding off during Covid should have been a great recruiting sergeant for AE. Instead it fed the maw of our great rivals, the conspiracy-theory nutters.*
* Yes, I know we have people here who somehow straddle the divide.
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Boreades
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Q.
What's the difference between conspiracy-theory and fact?
A.
For Covid, about four years.
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Mick Harper
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You will have to flesh that out if you don't want it mistaken for a conspiracy theory. I agree that 'It escaped from a Chinese lab' is not a conspiracy theory. But that does not mean it is true.
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Grant
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There's a conspiracy theory floating around - see UNZ - that Covid was a weapon of war which the Americans sent to infect the Chinese.
I don't buy it because surely the Chinese would have mentioned it by now! Of course, they might be quietly planning revenge in their inscrutable way.
But it is interesting that after China the first group to get hit in large numbers by the disease were the Iranian government. No-one has ever explained how this happened
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Boreades
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| Grant wrote: | | There's a conspiracy theory floating around - see UNZ - that Covid was a weapon of war which the Americans sent to infect the Chinese. |
This is true, in an unintentional kind of way.
The original Gain Of Function research was done in the USA by EcoHealth Alliance. But, as with so many pharma products, the business model is (step 1) initial research at home (step 2) production abroad in cheaper places. The usual cheaper places are China, India, Phillipines, Malaysia, etc.
The National Institutes of Health (NIH) gave a grant to pay for this. The Grant No. was 1R01A|110964 titled “Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence”
The aim of the work with the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China to create mutant viruses was described as
| “to better predict the capacity of our CoVs [coronaviruses] to infect people.” |
In the initial “Application for Federal Assistance” submitted on June 5, 2013, by EcoHealth Alliance, a section is titled “Specific Aims,” which notes the intention to create mutant bat viruses and “predict the capacity of our CoVs [coronaviruses] to infect people:”
To do what?
| To understand the risk of zoonotic CoV [coronavirus] emergence, we propose to examine 1) the transmission dynamics of bat-CoVs across the human-wildlife interface; and 2) how this process is affected by CoV evolutionary potential, and how it might force CoV evolution. We will assess the nature and frequency of contact among animals and people in two critical human-animal interfaces: live animal markets in China and people who are highly exposed to bats in rural China. |
“Specific Aim 3” discusses “Testing predictions of CoV inter-species transmission:”
| We will test our models of host range (i.e. emergence potential) experimentally using reverse genetics, pseudovirus and receptor binding assays, and virus infection experiments in cell culture and humanized mice. With bat-CoVs that we’ve isolated or sequenced, and using live virus or pseudovirus infection in cells of different origin or expressing different receptor molecules, we will assess potential for each isolated virus and those with receptor binding site sequence to spill over. We will do this by sequencing the spike (or other receptor binding/fusion) protein genes from all our bat-CoVs, creating mutants to identify how significantly each would need to evolve to use ACE2, CD26/DPP4 (MERS-CoV receptor) or other potential CoV receptors. |
In the continuing discussion of the aims of the research, the report states:
| The results will provide information whether bat-CoVs could use known bat and human ACE2, DPP4 or other known CoV receptors to enter cells, and allow us to determine critical receptor binding sites, viral host range, and to better predict the capacity of our CoVs to infect people. [Emphasis in original] |
How much money did they get?
| EcoHealth Alliance’s $3.3 million grant to fund a project titled “Understanding the Risk of Coronavirus Emergence” was initially to run from October 1, 2013, to September 30, 2018. The first “Project/Performance Site Location” is the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Three other Chinese sites follow: East China Normal University in Shanghai, Yunnan Institute of Endemic Disease Control and Prevention in Dali, and the Center for Disease Control and Prevention of Guangdong in Guangzhou. |
On May 27, 2014, the NIH awarded EcoHealth Alliance $3,086,735 over five years for “Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence.”
Did they say who would do the work?
| An EcoHealth Alliance grant application, received by the NIH on June 5, 2013, includes a list of “Senior/Key Personnel” including Shi Zhengli and Zhang Yun-Zhi of the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV); Peter Daszak, CEO of EcoHealth Alliance; and other Chinese scientists, including Ke Changwen of the Chinese “CDC and Prevention of Guangdong Province.” |
What nobody expected was for the work to be done to such a sloppily low standard of biosecurity that it would escape. But, human nature being what it is, that's happened plenty of times, even here in the UK.
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Mick Harper
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| Grant wrote: | | There's a conspiracy theory floating around - see UNZ - that Covid was a weapon of war which the Americans sent to infect the Chinese. I don't buy it because surely the Chinese would have mentioned it by now! Of course, they might be quietly planning revenge in their inscrutable way. |
I would have thought there are a dozen better reasons than that for rejecting it. I am severely disappointed by the conspiracy-theorists. They usually do better than that. This wouldn't make it into Jason Statham novel.
| But it is interesting that after China the first group to get hit in large numbers by the disease were the Iranian government. No-one has ever explained how this happened |
That's more like it!
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Mick Harper
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| Borry wrote: | There's a conspiracy theory floating around - see UNZ - that Covid was a weapon of war which the Americans sent to infect the Chinese.
This is true, in an unintentional kind of way. The original Gain Of Function research was done in the USA by EcoHealth Alliance. But, as with so many pharma products, the business model is (step 1) initial research at home (step 2) production abroad in cheaper places. The usual cheaper places are China, India, Phillipines, Malaysia, etc. |
Maybe pushing 'unintentional' beyond its normal meaning in the English language.
| The National Institutes of Health (NIH) gave a grant to pay for this. The Grant No. was 1R01A|110964 titled “Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence” The aim of the work with the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China to create mutant viruses was described as “to better predict the capacity of our CoVs [coronaviruses] to infect people.” |
Certainly this should have been front and centre during discussions at the time so either we are dealing with careful ignoral (corporate embarrassment-type) or non-careful ignoral (national security-type).
| In the initial “Application for Federal Assistance” submitted on June 5, 2013, by EcoHealth Alliance, a section is titled “Specific Aims,” which notes the intention to create mutant bat viruses and “predict the capacity of our CoVs [coronaviruses] to infect people:” To do what? To understand the risk of zoonotic CoV [coronavirus] emergence, we propose to examine 1) the transmission dynamics of bat-CoVs across the human-wildlife interface; and 2) how this process is affected by CoV evolutionary potential, and how it might force CoV evolution. We will assess the nature and frequency of contact among animals and people in two critical human-animal interfaces: live animal markets in China and people who are highly exposed to bats in rural China. |
It could be argued this shows prescient planning. Looking back we might conclude that 'Covids' were inevitable and more are inevitable but at least we know what to do (and what not to do). Basically, not panic and accept losses stoically as one would in any war.
| “Specific Aim 3” discusses “Testing predictions of CoV inter-species transmission:” We will test our models of host range (i.e. emergence potential) experimentally using reverse genetics, pseudovirus and receptor binding assays, and virus infection experiments in cell culture and humanized mice. etc |
As I understand it, all this research was as much aimed at techniques for creating vaccines faster (which was very successful) than understanding the diseases themselves.
| How much money did they get? EcoHealth Alliance’s $3.3 million grant etc |
This is pitiful. It is one of the weaknesses of the system that Small Big Pharma gets billions whereas Big Big Pharma gets peanuts.
| Did they say who would do the work? ... What nobody expected was for the work to be done to such a sloppily low standard of biosecurity that it would escape. |
Perhaps the nub. All countries, including China, are capable of relative prodigies when it comes to weapons-grade bio-research but when it comes to you and me...
| But, human nature being what it is, that's happened plenty of times, even here in the UK. |
eg the last foot and mouth.
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