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Mick Harper
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If dowsing works how is it no dowser has ever been able to pass even the most cursory of blind trials?
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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I will ask the next dowser I meet.
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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Back to the Indiculus superstitionem et paganiarum.
I fear this may be another candidate for the Forgeries list.
| The Indiculus superstitionum et paganiarum represents a list on superstitions we encounter in Cod. Pal. Lat. 577, fol. 7r. Its origin, function and provenance have been disputed by historians ever since its discovery in the seventeenth century. |
https://studenttheses.uu.nl/handle/20.500.12932/29227
So scrub that explanation for Nymet, Nemeton, etc
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Mick Harper
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| I will ask the next dowser I meet. |
He will say what they always say. 'We can't do it in artificial conditions.'
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Hatty
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| Boreades wrote: | Back to the Indiculus superstitionem et paganiarum.
I fear this may be another candidate for the Forgeries list. |
According to the paper that Borry found, the Codex containing the Indiculus superstitionem et paganiarum was discovered by Bishop Ferdinand von Fürstenberg, author of historical works, Latin poetry and papal librarian in charge of the Vatican Library, where the Codex came to light, though
| above all, he devoted himself to academic work, for example, producing numerous copies of documents from the Vatican archives. These included the Capitulatio de partibus Saxoniae by Charlemagne. Some finds he left to others to publish, some he published himself. In addition, he emerged as a sponsor of large-scale academic projects such as the publication of Acta Sanctorum by Jean Bolland and his successor, the Bollandists. The discovery of documents from his Westphalian homeland prompted Ferdinand's decision to write a history of the Bishopric of Paderborn. |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_of_F%C3%BCrstenberg_(1626–1683)
Little wonder that Borry's source voiced doubts about the manuscript's origins
| By using historical, palaeographical and codicological evidence and methodology, historians since the seventeenth century have been trying to figure out the provenance, function and compilation date of the Indiculus.. This was not an easy task, since the list was copied into Pal. Lat. 577 without a title, preface or any ndication of its purpose. |
It appears they used every means they could except the scientific method.
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Hatty
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Someone in the Medieval England group on Facebook wrote a long piece about the Seax of Beagnoth, so named because the blade has been inscribed with the name Beagnoth. Wiki says it is
| the only known complete inscription of the twenty-eight letter Anglo-Saxon runic alphabet, as well as the name "Beagnoth" in runic letters. |
Even Anglo-Saxonists consider that unusual so I had a butcher's out of curiosity.
The Seax of Beagnoth is a 10th-century masterpiece that defies the ages. Found in the Thames in 1857, this iron knife is more than a weapon; it’s a relic of Anglo-Saxon prestige, decorated with intricate patterns of copper, brass, and silver wire. But it’s not just the craftsmanship that leaves historians stunned—its blade features a unique, complete inscription of the 28-letter Anglo-Saxon runic alphabet, making it one of the rarest discoveries of its kind.
⚔️ Discovered by a laborer named Henry J. Briggs, the Seax of Beagnoth made its way to the British Museum in 1857. Augustus Wollaston Franks, an antiquary at the time, immediately identified it as resembling the rare scramasax of the Franks. But scholars now favor the term “long seax” to better describe the blade, and its inscription tells a tale of ancient warriors, magic, and possibly the swordmaker's pride.
🛡️ The seax measures an impressive 72.1 cm (28.4 inches) in length, with a 55.1 cm (21.7-inch) blade, perfect for cutting through history as well as enemies. The design of the blade is extraordinary, with geometric patterns created from inlaid copper, brass, and silver strips hammered into the surface. This technique was common among Anglo-Saxon and Viking weapons during the 9th and 10th centuries, but the Seax of Beagnoth’s decoration stands out for its beauty and intricacy.
🗡️ On one side of the blade, the inscription features the full 28-letter Anglo-Saxon futhorc, the only known example of its kind on a weapon. The opposite side of the blade bears the name "Beagnoth" in runic letters, likely the name of the owner or maker. This personalization could have carried magical significance, suggesting that the runic alphabet was more than just a writing system—it was a potent tool for invoking protection or power. |
Over the course of a quarter of a century, the finder, Henry Briggs (1843-67), described as a 'labourer', was a habitual discoverer of antiquities (including the 'Battersea Shield') according to the British Museum's biographical note
| Sold British archaeological material to the Museum 1843-1867 on 43 occasions. He is described in one register entry as a labourer. The material he sold to the Museum mainly or exclusively were found in the river Thames |
Augustus Franks was running the Department of British and Medieval Antiquities at that time. Quite keen on runes wasn't he?
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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A 10th-century iron knife? Decorated with copper, brass, and silver wire? In the River Thames?
In the words of Victor Meldrew
I do not believe it!
Iron rusts to nothing in ten years, let alone ten centuries. Adding copper and brass decoration would just speed up the process by Galvanic Corrosion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_corrosion
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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The Thames was so polluted in the nineteenth century it coated everything in a protective sheath of concentrated cloacal matter. (You have to be an organic chemist to understand.) Proving once and for all that none of Henry Briggs finds could have been deposited in the Thames before the nineteenth century.
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