| View previous topic :: View next topic |
Mick Harper
Site Admin
In: London
|
|
 |
|
|
Why not do a bit of work, AJ, instead of just hurling spaghetti at the wall? Was there an Atlantic Ocean 35,000 years ago? Was there a wall of ice between Alaska and the rest of America?
|
|
 |
|
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Based on the relative short period of time to migrate, across, around or radiating outwards, within Asia; the most interesting aspect is the apparent slump in migration westwards for a massive 15000 years.
No further comment at this stage!
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Mick Harper
Site Admin
In: London
|
|
|
|
|
Very good, Morty. Since you don't trust Authority, tell them exactly why Mankind couldn't have originated in Alaska.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Correction!
Based on the relative short period of time to migrate, across, around or radiating outwards, within Asia; the most interesting aspect is the apparent slump in migration west - east for a massive 15000+ years.
No further comment at this stage!
|
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1. Less Ginseng in Europe and Africa?
2.The map doesn't actually assert anything, it only indicates known finds!
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Mick Harper
Site Admin
In: London
|
|
|
|
|
Wizard, some levity is permitted. But not much. The map asserts known finds. I have already indicated that each figure is a minimum (Cro-Magnon might have been around earlier and not left found fossils) but I have also told you to treat the figures as factual. (Since they are.)
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Mick Harper
Site Admin
In: London
|
|
|
|
All right, let's push this on. Let's do what you ought to have done yourselves right from the off, by systematising the problem. Since all we have are distances and dates, it follows that really the only thing you have to do is to take each segment of the presumed journeying and divide them up into the following categories
a) expected
b) counter-intuitive
c) downright impossible
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Hatty
Site Admin
In: Berkshire
|
|
|
|
| The mode of transportation in my opinion, without having sufficient knowledge or evidence to the contrary would be either the camel or the horse. I would edge camel initially, easier to catch and keep, then perhaps thousands of years later the horse. |
The camel originated in North America, though it was apparently more gazelle-like. It is supposed to have become extinct by the last ice age... so presumably crossed over into Asia via Beringia. I wonder where llamas sprang from.
Since all we have are distances and dates, it follows that really the only thing you have to do is to take each segment of the presumed journeying and divide them up into the following categories
a) expected
b) counter-intuitive
c) downright impossible |
a) If Cro-Magnon started out from Mesopotamia, the expected picture would be a number of routes radiating outwards, like the spokes of a wheel.
b) The last thing you'd expect would be to find they'd established themselves in Siberia or Alaska. And the Himalayas would present a serious obstacle, even assuming anyone would want to cross them in the first place.
c) The only places which humans haven't managed to colonise are the Arctic and Antarctic; they can't survive in sub-zero barren places.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Hatty
Site Admin
In: Berkshire
|
|
|
|
If Cro-Magnons inhabited Antarctica, South America would surely show the earliest rather than the latest dates.
| the difference between the far east and far west is quite remarkable. |
That's a good point. So the conclusion is that these areas are where early man evolved into disparate races and cultures. I'd say that north and south are even further apart, black and white.
Conversely, the similarities between native Americans and Siberian people are equally remarkable. In outward (Asiatic) appearance at least, they are the same.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Mick Harper
Site Admin
In: London
|
|
|
|
|
Has everyone got cloth ears or something? I've just told you what you have to do. If you want to get onto the next level.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Hatty
Site Admin
In: Berkshire
|
|
|
|
There are two dates which correspond almost exactly, the Middle East (expected) and Alaska (counter-intuitive); the question therefore is which group came first and whether the direction travelled was northwards or southwards. AJ has pointed out that glaciation effectively eradicates all traces of human or other remains so a northern starting point is more likely, the Middle East being glaciation-free as well as the site of frenzied archaelogical digging unlike the icy wastes of the Arctic circle.
If the group, or part of the group, originated in Alaska and branched off in an easterly direction, via Beringia, then Siberia would have been reached. No traces of their origins or journeyings would be found prior to the Late Wisconsin Glaciation, c. 35,000 BC, or further south than the extent of the ice sheet.
The route taken indicates China, a coastal rather than inland expansion, eventually reaching Taiwan. Whether travelling by sea or by land originally, at some stage sea voyages must have been undertaken in order to reach Australia. Crossing the Pacific is counter-intuitive, though not impossible.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Mick Harper
Site Admin
In: London
|
|
|
|
It's really quite simple, as everything in AE always is.
1. You draw a line between one date and the next date
2. This gives you a period of time, a distance and a direction
3. You then ask the critical question, "Does that seem reasonable for the spread of early man?"
4. There are only six of these lines so a pattern should emerge (or you say it doesn't).
Blimey, you don't need opposable thumbs to do that. But anyone who wants to get on to the next level has to do it. This is an individual quest as well as a team game.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Briefly!
1) Favourable climactic change encouraged so-called modern man within central Asia to radiate out ... less distance.
2) Cold snap ... prevented further expansion.
3) 10-15'000 years later, favourable climactic change encouraged another expansion towards and into Europe.
4) Sea level rise due to warming, cut off modern man within Australia and Oceania.
5) Modern man entered Africa via west Europe.
6) Further warming encouraged another migration towards and into North America and onwards into South America.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Kroew
In: Canada
|
|
|
|
a) Expected - Asia (or whatever the heck it was back then) to be crossed first.
b) Counter-intuitive to cross Europe so late
c) Downright impossible to get to Australia in 1000 years.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Mick Harper
Site Admin
In: London
|
|
|
|
Look, Wizard, Kroew and anyone else who wants to proceed, I know it's really difficult following instructions, especially when you suspect you're a lot brighter and more knowledgeable than the geezer issuing the instructions but there it is. What I want, what I demand is:
==============
Journey A: too long
Journey B: impossibly short
(all six journeys)
And then a short piece of analysis or a conclusion that stems from the above.
===============
|
|
| |
|
|
|
|
The Library Index 
FAQ 
Search
Register
Profile 
Log in to check your private messages 
Log in 
