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Hatty
Site Admin
In: Berkshire
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St Michael as the patron saint of drovers' roads/trackways and of commerce in general seems entirely appropriate as Marks & Spencer's logo. Indeed Hermes was depicted carrying a ram, as the patron saint of flocks and herds.
Talking of textiles, denim originated in Nimes, from serges de nimes. Nimes is at the southern end of the St Michael's Mount to Marseilles route (copyright Diodorus Siculus).
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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| Chad wrote: | | Tilo Rebar wrote: | Which Jews. Which Phoneticians? Neither group seem to have a proper country of their own - nor any good evidence of racial origin.
Who were the Jews and Phoneticians? |
For your consideration...
http://jewsandjoes.com/israelites-and-phoenicians.html
Most here accept the involvment of the Phoenicians in the international trade with Bronze Age Britain... and even until very recently, comunities of Jews have existed in former Phoenician Colonies in Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. |
Let us raise a toast, to the Phoenicians....
This long lost civilisation of ancient seafarers are now, somewhat surprisingly, displaced, but consider their achievements.....
Known to all as skilled mariners, with their beautiful hand built boats of cedar http://www.phoenician.org/ancient_ships.htm they traversed the oceans, even getting as far as America.... http://phoenicia.org/america.html producing the longest voyages, and oldest maps, in the world.
The secret of the Phoenician trading success was to romantically sail off to foreign shores, and impose on your thicko land-locked locals unfair trade relations...cunningly sweetening their deals with a carafe of their excellent lebanese wine....
Still, thanks to the Phoenicians...your ancient Brits learnt a harsh lesson.. that is.. if you live on a mineral-rich island and having invested in a monumental series of landmarks around the coastline (doh).... you still need to build your own fleet of ships if you wish to trade on equal terms.....
Ladies and Gents....
The Phoenicians.....Wherever they are!
Hmm, this Lebanese red has a bit of a kick to it.....
Cheers.
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Chad
In: Ramsbottom
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Hmm... Red Leb... That takes me back...!
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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Tilo Rebar
In: Sussex
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| Chad wrote: | | ...For your consideration... |
Thanks, Chad. Will have a peruse when I get a few minutes.
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Chad
In: Ramsbottom
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| Boreades wrote: | | Resins and barks, so probably psycho-active. |
The Red Leb I have such fond memories of was certainly resinous and psycho-active... but it didn't come out of a wine jar!
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Britanicus
In: The West Country
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| Ishmael wrote: | Phoenician is close to Hebrew
Hebrew is close to Welsh
Therefore, Welsh is close to Phoenician
Welsh = Phoenician? |
Will check that out Ishmael, what a shock that would be.
Any ideas on that other European language oddity, Basque?
If there are any Hebrew speakers out there, can you understand any Welsh?
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Britanicus
In: The West Country
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Boreades
Been reading this forum from the very start, impressed with your reasoning and posts regarding Mick Harper's posts, keeping him on his toes so to speak.
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Ishmael
In: Toronto
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| Wile E. Coyote wrote: | | The Phoenicians.....Wherever they are! |
This is precisely what I have been thinking and what I have been hinting at.
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Mick Harper
Site Admin
In: London
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| I ain't complaining, (there are some fascinating ideas and it is well written) but it ain't a "Megatalk"... and most folks have got up, left the room, gone to the bar... |
This 'script' is the basis for a two-hour lecture, divided into four half-hour 'programmes', designed to go out on telly (and if not, other and lesser outlets). You would be surprised at how much stuff on the page gets translated to so little on the screen.
Of course, most of the stuff you are reading is 'new' in the sense we have no idea yet how much of it will end up on screen (or how much of the stuff people are contributing will for that matter and no you probably won't get any credit and certainly not that bastard Chad who's not even getting a Christmas card) so at this stage it is better to touch all bases even ones that are otiose.
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Hatty
Site Admin
In: Berkshire
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| Tilo Rebar wrote: | | Just a thought, could Phonetician mean - of the phoenix (fenix) ? |
The Phoenix is supposed to arise/be reborn from fire or the ashes of a fire, reminiscent of smelting techniques where the ore was burnt in a pit and the metal then collected from the ashes.
This may be the basis of Cinderella and related titles. [In a religious context ashes seem to represent repentance, a necessary stage perhaps in transformation and/or refinement].
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Mick Harper
Site Admin
In: London
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MegaBritain Part Seventy-Two
Following the Michael Line to the north-east we reach Tellisford, now completely obscure, but Megalithically sufficiently important to mark the border between Somerset and Wiltshire
By now it goes without saying that there is an an All Saints church with a square tower
Tellisford is actually just north of the line but for a rather interesting reason -- the name Tellisford, originally Tablesford in the Domesday Book, means 'ford at a flat place'. The Megalithics were specialists in constructing fords for moving their animals across rivers but the fact that this is so close to the Michael Line would seem to indicate that the ford was specifically placed here on a piece of land made flat or perhaps selected because it was flat.
The point is that fords cannot always be conveniently sited for geographical reasons to coincide with ley lines so this is almost certainly an example of how the Megalithics overcame this problem. But, as usual, once the Megalithics have intervened to control the course of a river, they then began exploiting this control for other economic ends. The first intervention is usually the construction of a weir for catching fish.
Actually, this may not be the first Megalithic purpose since a weir and flatland do not normally go together. The assumption must therefore be that the weir is constructed to produce an area of flatland (upstream? downstream? my knowledge of hydraulics is insufficient) for the ford, and then it is discovered that weirs are useful fish-traps.
All somewhat speculative but such step-by-step technological progress in situ is the best way of understanding (and reconstructing) the Megalithic Way, in the absence of documentation. One there is a weir and full control of the flow of water, further Megalithic specialisations are possible, notably fulling mills for the textile industry. At Tellisford these lasted until 1911. AD.
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Ishmael
In: Toronto
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By my reckoning, "all saints" = "all straights / streets."
Is an "all saints" location a switching hub?
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Tilo Rebar
In: Sussex
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| Ishmael wrote: | By my reckoning, "all saints" = "all straights / streets."
Is an "all saints" location a switching hub? |
Good idea Ishmael.
Also if, as I think possible, saint = stent = St = stone, then Alstone, Somerset could be a confirmation of a some sort of communication/industrial hub...
"An iron age lake settlement existed to the south of Highbridge, at Alstone. Occupation at Alstone continued into the Roman period and, indeed, there appears to have been a focus of Roman activity in what is now Highbridge and south Burnham.
Settlement was concentrated on the slightly higher land inland of the dunes, north of a somewhat deeper, wider inlet (Nash, 1973), and south of a now vanished river (Leech, 1981). A number of sites in this area have produced evidence of dressed stone buildings and a possible warehouse. There may have been some kind of commercial activity here, since the postulated shape of the late Roman inlet (Nash, 1973) suggests that there would have been natural harbour sites either at the neck or further up its northward arm."
Alstone is on what would have been the Megalithic coast just south of the River Brue, which was a navigable waterway providing a link to Glastonbury just 9 miles away - not surprising lots of signs of ancient industry have been found.
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Hatty
Site Admin
In: Berkshire
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| Tellisford is actually just north of the line but for a rather interesting reason -- the name Tellisford, originally Tablesford in the Domesday Book, means 'ford at a flat place'. The Megalithics were specialists in constructing fords for moving their animals across rivers but the fact that this is so close to the Michael Line would seem to indicate that the ford was specifically placed here on a piece of land made flat or perhaps selected because it was flat. |
According to VCH, Tellisford is on a packhorse route that went from Bristol (terminus of A4) to Salisbury Plain.
Immediately south of Tellisford is a village called Rode, formerly written Rod or Road, which has an earthwork called the Devil's Bed and Bolster described as a long barrow (or chambered tomb if you prefer the Megalithic Portal entry). Not much left of it apparently but worth keeping a look-out for barriers or aids to travellers.
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