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Oh, please excuse me for getting a bit thin-skinned by now - after reading in post after post, what a thieving, underclass lot the gypsies are, all of them mainly earning their living by stealing Can ...

One thing that mustn't be overlooked is that gypsies are an underclass. Masters of survival but not much more. So it is unlikely they are remnants of anything elite like cavalry -- or even 'crusaders' ...

My thoughts exactly, Hatty.
Travelleling/roaming about is life. So it's probably connected with aspects of daily life rather than with motion (as it is with sedentary folki).

Hey Ish,
looky-looky:
After Oxford Con.Dict. also tells me,: "to roam =... of unknown origin", (and no cognate words in Germanic !), I went ahead and checked all Gaelic dicts.

Lo and ...

This is what etymoline says:
roam
c.1300, romen, possibly from O.E. *ramian "act of wandering about," related to ar�man "arise, lift up." There are no cognate forms in other Gm ...

Back to linguistics.

I was idly browsing my Romani dictionary when something jumped out at me - right at me throat.

I think this will be a feast for Dan.

The Romani word for: Vision Poet, See ...

The earliest *recorded* date I could find for Roma proper in Britain is from 1505: Roma (and recognized as that) appear in Scotland....

BUT

look what I found as well: Blimey!

Abstract: Biol. ...

While browsing the net for first recorded appearances, I found this:

'According to Ian Hancock, a professor at the University of Texas, the latest research indicates the original Gypsies were a mix ...

You will recall that AE claims that everybody adhering to the prevailing orthodoxy is always under the impression that they believe something which is merely 'common sense' or, in the academic sphere ...

Nouns: Roma, Travellers.
Verb: Roam?
Hmmmmm... not bad... gotta get me thinking hat.

How far is it from the bit(s) credited with inventing agriculture?
Surprise, surprise.

It's just there! According to rather new findings in Arch, agriculture was invented in Anatolia first.

yoo ...

But isn't it speaking Irish (by which I presume I mean English) that distinguishes Irish Travellers from Roma? So Henry was referring to Roma? Who are supposed to have left India/Pakistan circa 1000 A ...

Sugar comes from Arabic, cf. azucar in Spanish, though etymonline is worried about the 'g' (The -g- in the Eng. form cannot be accounted for)
Interesting:
Old Saxon dictionary:
*su-g-a?, as., st. F ...

If you don't know where to go with friends and family for a day out during week-ends or vacation, I have a great tip for you Gadje:

http://www.boswell-romany-museum.com/index.htm

You can even ex ...

So which came first - the travelling or the tinkering?
That's a difficult one to answer. There were stories of travelling smiths around for centuries, some still make a trade by travelling around and ...

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Topic: Flying Chaucers
Tatjana Replies: 1148 Views: 583519	Forum: Linguistics Posted: 5:22 pm Subject: Flying Chaucers
Tatjana Replies: 1148 Views: 583519	Oh, please excuse me for getting a bit thin-skinned by now - after reading in post after post, what a thieving, underclass lot the gypsies are, all of them mainly earning their living by stealing Can ...
Topic: Flying Chaucers
Tatjana Replies: 1148 Views: 583519	Forum: Linguistics Posted: 1:26 pm Subject: Flying Chaucers
Tatjana Replies: 1148 Views: 583519	One thing that mustn't be overlooked is that gypsies are an underclass. Masters of survival but not much more. So it is unlikely they are remnants of anything elite like cavalry -- or even 'crusaders' ...
Topic: Tip: A day out in Lincolnshire
Tatjana Replies: 26 Views: 18498	Forum: NEW CONCEPTS Posted: 4:59 am Subject: Tip: A day out in Lincolnshire
Tatjana Replies: 26 Views: 18498	My thoughts exactly, Hatty. Travelleling/roaming about is life. So it's probably connected with aspects of daily life rather than with motion (as it is with sedentary folki).
Topic: Tip: A day out in Lincolnshire
Tatjana Replies: 26 Views: 18498	Forum: NEW CONCEPTS Posted: 6:18 am Subject: Tip: A day out in Lincolnshire
Tatjana Replies: 26 Views: 18498	Hey Ish, looky-looky: After Oxford Con.Dict. also tells me,: "to roam =... of unknown origin", (and no cognate words in Germanic !), I went ahead and checked all Gaelic dicts. Lo and ...
Topic: Tip: A day out in Lincolnshire
Tatjana Replies: 26 Views: 18498	Forum: NEW CONCEPTS Posted: 5:57 am Subject: Tip: A day out in Lincolnshire
Tatjana Replies: 26 Views: 18498	This is what etymoline says: roam c.1300, romen, possibly from O.E. *ramian "act of wandering about," related to ar�man "arise, lift up." There are no cognate forms in other Gm ...
Topic: Flying Chaucers
Tatjana Replies: 1148 Views: 583519	Forum: Linguistics Posted: 5:19 am Subject: Flying Chaucers
Tatjana Replies: 1148 Views: 583519	Back to linguistics. I was idly browsing my Romani dictionary when something jumped out at me - right at me throat. I think this will be a feast for Dan. The Romani word for: Vision Poet, See ...
Topic: Flying Chaucers
Tatjana Replies: 1148 Views: 583519	Forum: Linguistics Posted: 4:54 am Subject: Flying Chaucers
Tatjana Replies: 1148 Views: 583519	The earliest recorded date I could find for Roma proper in Britain is from 1505: Roma (and recognized as that) appear in Scotland.... BUT look what I found as well: Blimey! Abstract: Biol. ...
Topic: Flying Chaucers
Tatjana Replies: 1148 Views: 583519	Forum: Linguistics Posted: 3:52 am Subject: Flying Chaucers
Tatjana Replies: 1148 Views: 583519	While browsing the net for first recorded appearances, I found this: 'According to Ian Hancock, a professor at the University of Texas, the latest research indicates the original Gypsies were a mix ...
Topic: Flying Chaucers
Tatjana Replies: 1148 Views: 583519	Forum: Linguistics Posted: 3:25 pm Subject: Flying Chaucers
Tatjana Replies: 1148 Views: 583519	You will recall that AE claims that everybody adhering to the prevailing orthodoxy is always under the impression that they believe something which is merely 'common sense' or, in the academic sphere ...
Topic: Tip: A day out in Lincolnshire
Tatjana Replies: 26 Views: 18498	Forum: NEW CONCEPTS Posted: 2:38 pm Subject: Tip: A day out in Lincolnshire
Tatjana Replies: 26 Views: 18498	Nouns: Roma, Travellers. Verb: Roam? Hmmmmm... not bad... gotta get me thinking hat.
Topic: Inside Every Fat Person
Tatjana Replies: 183 Views: 247624	Forum: Health Posted: 2:36 pm Subject: Inside Every Fat Person
Tatjana Replies: 183 Views: 247624	How far is it from the bit(s) credited with inventing agriculture? Surprise, surprise. It's just there! According to rather new findings in Arch, agriculture was invented in Anatolia first. yoo ...
Topic: Flying Chaucers
Tatjana Replies: 1148 Views: 583519	Forum: Linguistics Posted: 2:31 pm Subject: Flying Chaucers
Tatjana Replies: 1148 Views: 583519	But isn't it speaking Irish (by which I presume I mean English) that distinguishes Irish Travellers from Roma? So Henry was referring to Roma? Who are supposed to have left India/Pakistan circa 1000 A ...
Topic: Flying Chaucers
Tatjana Replies: 1148 Views: 583519	Forum: Linguistics Posted: 11:22 am Subject: Flying Chaucers
Tatjana Replies: 1148 Views: 583519	Sugar comes from Arabic, cf. azucar in Spanish, though etymonline is worried about the 'g' (The -g- in the Eng. form cannot be accounted for) Interesting: Old Saxon dictionary: *su-g-a?, as., st. F ...
Topic: Tip: A day out in Lincolnshire
Tatjana Replies: 26 Views: 18498	Forum: NEW CONCEPTS Posted: 10:29 am Subject: Tip: A day out in Lincolnshire
Tatjana Replies: 26 Views: 18498	If you don't know where to go with friends and family for a day out during week-ends or vacation, I have a great tip for you Gadje: http://www.boswell-romany-museum.com/index.htm You can even ex ...
Topic: Flying Chaucers
Tatjana Replies: 1148 Views: 583519	Forum: Linguistics Posted: 9:10 am Subject: Flying Chaucers
Tatjana Replies: 1148 Views: 583519	So which came first - the travelling or the tinkering? That's a difficult one to answer. There were stories of travelling smiths around for centuries, some still make a trade by travelling around and ...