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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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The river was tamed.
Thames = tamed bit of River.
They used the Tyburn to tame the Tides.......
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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Maybe Thorney island was island of Thor, ie Thor nEy (island)? There are some that believe that Thor is not just a god of thunder but Wind, ie he is a helpful god to the Vikings (those who sail and trade between Roman vici, to Wiley, or more commonly are heathen raiders, to Christians).
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Mick Harper
Site Admin
In: London
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The river was tamed. Thames = tamed bit of River. |
Most ingenious. At the start of the Canal Age the country was up in arms because the Thames was untamed and hence unnavigable. Not our bit, where the tide could waft you up and down, but upriver where it didn't.
They used the Tyburn to tame the Tides.... |
You might recall our discussion(s) about why the eastern rivers of Britain begin with a T.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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Further investigation needed into Thames
Tamar
Tame
Team
Teme
Thame
Tean
Teign
Further investigation into Thor
Torridge
Ter
Tern
Thurne
Tarvin
Torne
Trent (?)
Many of em are pushing it a bit. Still...we are progressing, not on the basis of being correct ..... but bringing forward ideas.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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If you go with the Thomas = Didymos
(Didymos is actually the Greek word for twin; thoma is the Semitic word for twin)
You have a pair/twin.... tamed = tide
Thames=Tyburn
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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Hmm, might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb.....
If Don = Dominated ie tamed
You have Lon + Dominated
Is it dominated land?
Aha no, it's simpler and more obvious you land on (go ashore, you dock) here?
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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You sail through to the tamed bit and then you have a choice. You can disembark at either Lundenwic, the warehouse/manufacturing bit, or Londinium according to your purpose, it's a sort of are we container or are we passenger choice.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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Somehow in search of a dark age, ortho invented the Anglo Saxon emporium.......
A "-wich town" is a settlement in Anglo-Saxon England characterised by extensive artisanal activity and trade – an "emporium". The name is derived from the Anglo-Saxon suffix -wīc, signifying "a dwelling[1] or fortified[2] place".
Such settlements were usually coastal[citation needed] and many have left material traces found during excavation.[3]
Eilert Ekwall wrote:
OE wīc, an early loan-word from Lat vicus, means 'dwelling, dwelling-place; village, hamlet, town; street in a town; farm, esp. a dairy-farm'. ... It is impossible to distinguish neatly between the various senses. Probably the most common meaning is 'dairy-farm'. ... In names of salt-working towns ... wīc originally denoted the buildings connected with a salt-pit or even the town that grew up around it. But a special meaning 'salt-works', found already in DB, developed."[4]
As well as -wich, -wīc was the origin of the endings -wyck and -wick,[5] as, for example, in Papplewick, Nottinghamshire.
Four former "-wīc towns" are known in England as the consequence of excavation. Two of these – Jorvik (Jorwic) in present-day York and Lundenwic near London – are waterfront sites, while the other two, Hamwic in Southampton and Gipeswic (Gippeswic) in Ipswich are further inland.[6] |
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Mick Harper
Site Admin
In: London
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Don't forget that Oxford (on the Isis) is cognate with Bosphorus.
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Grant
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I can’t remember the discussion about Eastern rivers beginning with T.
Is it because rivers always started with a “the†which became shorten to “tâ€
Thus T’Rent became Trent and The Ems became Tems
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Mick Harper
Site Admin
In: London
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Dame Alice Visits Cookham
Archaeologist: "Nine times out of ten the Anglo-Saxon church is either under the Noman church or very close nearby."
Alice Roberts: "Which is great news for your quest to find the monastery and perhaps the famous Anglo-Saxon Queen Cynethryth herself. That's a nice pin. Could it have been used to tie a wimple?"
"Yes, indeed."
"That's a nice piece of glass. Could it have been part of an inkwell, hence evidence of a scriptorium?"
"Yes, indeed."
"That's a nice coin. Eighth century, minted in Kent. So more evidence of the Queen of Mercia?"
"Yes, indeed."
The Professor of the Public Engagement in Science at Birmingham University summed up: "We knew there had to be an early medieval monastery at Cookham and we are beginning to see emerging before our eyes signs of the monastery of which Queen Cynethryth was the abbess. It's incredible."
Yes, indeed.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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Jut as there is some confusion over a mythological people called Vikings (actually people who worked in Roman wics), there is confusion over Saxons (actually people who occupied sectors or sections) You entered Britain through its Centrum (Centre), its Kent. To the south, Sussex, Southsector, to the middle, Middlesex (sector), to the west Wessex (sector), to the East, Essex (sector). The various sectors and the tamed bit were protected by sector castles along the outer sector shore. As you travel along the Thames you come to Slough (slow muddy), Reading (it's a region), at Reading you get a tributary (Sic), the River Loddon (load on).
c. 1200, Sexun, Saxun, "member of a people or tribe formerly living in northern Germania who invaded and settled in Britain 5c.-6c.," from Late Latin Saxonem (nominative Saxo; also source of Old French saisoigne, French Saxon, Spanish Sajon, Italian Sassone), usually found in plural Saxones, probably from a West Germanic tribal name (represented by Old English Seaxe, Old High German Sahsun, German Sachse "Saxon").
This is traditionally regarded as meaning "warrior with knives" (compare Middle English sax, Old English seax, Old Frisian, Old Norse sax "knife, short sword, dagger," Old High German Saxnot, name of a war-god), from Proto-Germanic *sahsa- "knife," from PIE root *sek- "to cut." But Watkins considers this doubtful.
The word figures in the oft-told tale, related by Geoffrey of Monmouth, who got it from Nennius, of the treacherous slaughter by the Anglo-Saxons of their British hosts:
Accordingly they all met at the time and place appointed, and began to treat of peace; and when a fit opportunity offered for executing his villany, Hengist cried out, "Nemet oure Saxas," and the same instant seized Vortigern, and held him by his cloak. The Saxons, upon the signal given, drew their daggers, and falling upon the princes, who little suspected any such design, assassinated them to the number of four hundred and sixty barons and consuls .... | sector (n.)
1560s, in geometry, "a section of a circle between two radii," from Late Latin sector "section of a circle," in classical Latin "a cutter, one who cuts," from sectus, past participle of secare "to cut" (from PIE root *sek- "to cut"). Sector translated Greek tomeus in Latin editions of Archimedes.
By 1715 of any figure having the shape of a sector; the meaning "area, division" (without regard to shape) is by 1920, perhaps generalized from a World War I military sense (1916) of "part of a front," based on a circle centered on a headquarters. The meaning "a branch of an economy" is by 1937. As a verb from 1884, "divide into sectors." Related: Sectored; sectoral; sectorial. |
How did the Saxon, Section confusion arise ? I think it's to do with the so called AS coinage.....used in the Vici.
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Mick Harper
Site Admin
In: London
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To add to the confusion we use to conflate Saxons with salt (cf Saxa Salt, still the leading brand). But I'm going with you. For now.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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AS coinage looks suspiciously like Roman Republican/ Greek.
Foundation of Early Rome is based on a Wolf legend.
Foundation of English currency the penny is linked to Offa.
Offa = wolf
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Mick Harper
Site Admin
In: London
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"We knew there had to be an early medieval monastery at Cookham " |
I forgot to mention that the Chief Archaeologist -- surrounded by what looked to be hundreds of other mini-archaeologists scouring a goodly piece of the Thames Valley -- had the good grace to admit that 'so far' they had not turned up a single piece of evidence for the Anglo-Saxon monastery. So that should be good for a few more summers. Though not on the indefinite Lindisfarne or Iona scale since Cookham doesn't have the romantic pull of Holy Isles. Five, tops, I'd give it.
PS 'Early medieval' is now code for the Anglo-Saxon period, just as 'Old English' is code for the Anglo-Saxon language.
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