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Hatty
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In: Berkshire
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I don't know, Aurelius... 'probably not authentic' as you say, it just looks too neat and manufactured. But there's a wide area of art, history, authenticity waiting to be scrutinised!
A while back we successfully 'dissed' the phenomenon of prehistoric cave paintings in the Did The Dark Ages Exist? thread which might be of interest to you.
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Ishmael
In: Toronto
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No one fakes non-sensationalist material like this. If it's boring, it's real. This is definitely boring.
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Hatty
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In: Berkshire
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| aurelius wrote: | | ...now I am thinking that the Olmecs - or the culture they inherited - may well have crossed the Atlantic from West Africa. |
Another 'problem' is the presence of coca leaves (and nicotine) in Egyptian mummies.
Since coca plants only grow in the Andes, this would appear to be absolutely irrefutable evidence of transatlantic trade before the New World was discovered. There have been mutterings, in academic quarters, about 'fake mummies' though so far no-one's announced any definite fakery..
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There's a good overlap between the New Kingdom of Egypt (chronology notwithstanding) and the Olmecs...
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Ishmael
In: Toronto
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| Hatty wrote: | | Another 'problem' is the presence of coca leaves (and nicotine) in Egyptian mummies....this would appear to be absolutely irrefutable evidence of transatlantic trade before the New World was discovered. |
No. It might just as well be irrefutable proof that the mummies were laid to rest after 1492.
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According to Africa And The African Diaspora the overwhelming number of recovered mummies from BCE come from Peru and Egypt. In both, the practice was to remove the brain and viscera for cleaning and storage in canopic jars. In both cultures the body was wrapped in the finest fabrics available. Spindle whorls and looms found in Mexico and Peru duplicate Egyptian ones from 1900 BC.
Quite a lot of coincidences.
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Hatty
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In: Berkshire
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Not perhaps entirely on track, but the swastika or fylfoot is another design that seems to appeared as if from nowhere, occasionally spotted in a Christian context e.g. a bishop's robe or decoration on a pillar.
Since it isn't a common motif in Europe, the swastika presumably was borrowed from Indian art and may be quite a modern introduction, perhaps down to the East India men.
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| Hatty wrote: | | There aren't any mazes left to examine in this country. Do you know of any apart from decorative or 'fun' ones? |
I first noticed this one in Janet and Colin Bord's The Secret Country:
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/340444053052762651/
It is on a vertical surface.
The Bord's book has some interesting tales about stones intended for churches being moved by the Devil/Fairies, etc., and examples of some of their odd locations, libations being poured into cup markings and the chipping of standing stones by drovers 'for good luck'...
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Hatty
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In: Berkshire
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The 'Tintagel Labyrinth' seems to be regarded with a certain scepticism by Hutton and others... its location is very near St Nectan's Glen which is a popular pilgrimage destination for New Age people. This article is quite helpful http://www.labyrinthos.net/rockyvalley.html, pointing out that this is apparently a one-off.
It certainly looks suspiciously well-preserved, which the author also points out
| The position of the petroglyphs at Rocky Valley is unlike those of the Atlantic tradition, being at the bottom of a small valley, and the type of rock on which they are carved (a soft shale) means that the chances of survival over 4000 years in such excellent state is infinitesimal. All in all, the SW area of England has no Bronze Age rock art more complex than a ring mark, the majority being simple cup marks (Beckensall, 1999). |
[By the sound of it, the Bords have been taking too much on trust.]
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| The 'Tintagel Labyrinth' seems to be regarded with a certain scepticism by Hutton and others... its location is very near St Nectan's Glen which is a popular pilgrimage destination for New Age people |
That's helpful, thanks. I guess the trouble is that few of these marks cannot be reliably dated - only perhaps the stone on which they are inscribed.
Unfortunately the link didn't work for me but I'll try to find it from another angle.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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Looks like a great read, thanks.
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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I can't work out whether he's one of us or one of them.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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| Mick Harper wrote: | | I can't work out whether he's one of us or one of them. |
It is a research programme that is producing new ideas, but arguably in old settings.
Let's take a look.
Located to the south of Hadrian's Wall lies the Vallum, it is a "unique" "ditch" which has caused bafflement to archaeologists.
Orthodoxy has suggested a number of explanations: a reserve "barrier" to cope with roving barbarians who have breached the wall. A place for grazing livestock.....kept by soldiers garrisoning the wall, etc etc.
Carter's idea is simple and obvious.
It is, in fact, the construction trench for a unfurnished road
https://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com/2011/01/archaeologist-claims-vallum-was.html#OOEAKj8VJsJkGxzL.99
Let us call it very provocatively (for argument's sake) Hadrian's Road, giving it the same status as the wall....
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