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Mick Harper
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Somebody's on to artificial hills but he's appealed to the Megalithic Portal so he won't get much help.

http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=26069#53616
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Hatty
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These are presumably the unnatural looking hills he's noticed



They are called (from left to right): Puech d'Allègre (renamed Truc de Miret), Puech de Mariette (renamed Truc des Bondons) and Eschino d'Aze.

Puech in Catalan is puig in Spanish Catalan and puy in French ('plug' in English) which according to Wiki "may be scattered as isolated hills, or, as is more usual, clustered together, sometimes in lines. The chain of puys in central France probably became extinct in late prehistoric time."

The hills are in the Cevennes national park, known to have been a centre of prehistoric industry:

The region's forests, particularly those on the Great Causses (Sauveterre, Méjean) and the Cévennes/Mont Lozère, were widely used in Antiquity for a number of purposes: producing timber (for wood crafts, construction, mine supports); producing fuel (for metallurgy, earthenware, heating); and manufacturing pitch.

which means the isolated hills could be artificial (slag heaps) or possibly volcanic cones that miners worked around.
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Mick Harper
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Some frog stuff with a crow connection. Could someone who can local-parley check out the names for any significances.

Description: The megaliths of Languedoc-Roussillon may not be as impressive or as famous as those in Brittany, but they are nearly as numerous and almost as large. There are 500 in Lozère, 400 in Gard, 400 in Hérault, 100 in Pyrenées-Orientales and about the same here in the Aude.

Though few in number the megaliths of this area are well worth exploring : two of the biggest menhirs in the south of France can be found here -- Malves at 5 metres/25 tons and Counozouls at 9 metres/70 tonnes, as well as two of the longest barrow-graves -- Pepieux at 15 metres and Saint-Eugène at 24 metres.

Size is impressive, but it's not everything -- and while the rest may be smaller and often in a poor condition, their placement in the landscape is usually dramatic -- making the exploration of the sites a breathtaking experience. The Corbières and Minervois hills make up most of this unpopulated and little-èxplored corner of France and there are great possibilities for finding vestiges of as yet uncharted sites on the limestone uplands, or the wooded mountain-sides, or on the slopes of the garrigue.

http://www.megalithic.co.uk/links.php?&op=viewlinkdetails&lid=1562&ttitle=Dolmens%20Lost%20and%20Found%20-%20les%20m%E9galithes%20des%20Corbi%E8res%20et%20du%20Minervois

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Boreades


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I have heard rumour that there are some little-known mega-stuff hidden in Corbières and Minervois vineyards.

M'Lady Boreades is always keen to boldly go among strange new vineyards. We are packing our bags now. We may be gone some time.
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Hatty
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Corbières is immediately to the west of Mont Alaric, a pyramid-shaped hill named for the Visigothic Alaric I apparently



A legend of treasure buried in caves beneath the mountain seems pretty standard but the St Michael chapel, St Michel de Nahuze, on the south-east slope of the mountain above the Gorges du Congoust (i.e. congested/narrow), is where people went, to pray for rain. It may be the resident hermit-tollkeeper supplied water from a spring in the hillside, perhaps for the vines rather than the locals.
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Mick Harper
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Add it to the pile.
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Mick Harper
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A programme on Old Sarum tonite showed Bettany Hughes waxing on about how it was an Iron Age fort. Then she showed us all the Roman roads that ran to it. But the Romans never used Old Sarum. She forgot to tell us why the Romans built all those roads to a place they didn't use.
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Ishmael


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Hey proponents of megalithic animal breeding; explain this!

Cats are attracted to circles, seemingly without choice

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Boreades


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If that's your cat, you are either feeding it too much, or it is freeloading from your neighbours. Or is trying to tell you something?
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Mick Harper wrote:
A programme on Old Sarum tonite showed Bettany Hughes waxing on about how it was an Iron Age fort. Then she showed us all the Roman roads that ran to it. But the Romans never used Old Sarum. She forgot to tell us why the Romans built all those roads to a place they didn't use.


Did she forget to tell you why Old Sarum was not a fort as well?
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Mick Harper
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Here's an interesting place. Mont Dol (I hope this is a picture of it). Looks like Old Sarum.



Anyroad this is what Megalithic Portal has to say about it (my square brackets):

Mont Dol is a large granite rock outcrop, dramatically jutting up through the flat coastal marshlands of the Baie de Mont St-Michel to the north of the ancient city of Dol-de-Bretagne, and in some ways is rather like Mont St-Michel itself, although nowadays completely enclosed within farmed lands. There is evidence for this being a very special place since neolithic times, with evidence of settlement and ceremonial practices found.

Amongst the other things to visit on the plateau at the top of the rock is a little chapel and a tower topped by a large statue of the Virgin Mary, which may be climbed up to admire the splended 360° views.

This mount has certainly served as a holy place since Celtic times. During the Dark Ages Breton monks and religious society enjoyed a break here and stories say that saints Samson [Guernsey's commercial port and patron saint] and Magloire [died on Sark!) both spent time here.

Legends abound, including that St Michael fought and beat the Devil here, and that signs of their battle have been left as curious marks which can be seen in certain rocks.

I was rather taken by the place, it is a sort of downmarket Mont St Michel, and is not plagued by the mass tourism which spoils that wonderful place. It made me think immediately of Glastonbury Tor, with which there are many comparisons.

http://www.megalithic.co.uk/user.php?op=userinfo&uname=rogeralbin
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Hatty
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Mont Dol is made of granite similar to a giant dolmen, a stone-table or, literally, 'table mountain'




Its name has been traced to Saint Teilo, 'about whom very little is known', whose main reason for existing is that forty-five places are said to bear his name from Wales e.g. Llandeilo to Brittany e.g. Dol. (After all, how many Anglo-Saxons have been conjured into history on the premise they owned a hill, field, dun etc.?)

Teilo is closely associated with the Welsh St David or Dewi (Llandeilo is on the Towy) and is a noted dragon-tamer:

Legend has it that while there he was assigned by King Budic II [a Cornishman] to subdue a belligerent winged dragon, which he was said to have tamed and then tied to a rock in the sea off Brittany.


Teilo, dol, tol point to a toll connection underlined by the local 'terrorising dragon'.

Dol-de-Bretagne has one of the most prominent menhirs in Brittany



and, rather strangely, the town of Dol is said to be the birthplace of the Stuart monarchs. Sounds as if St David and David I of Scotland have been conjoined en route.

P.S. Dol's cricket club is The Cricket Club des Ormes!
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Mick Harper
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A possible explanation for the importance of brewers in long distance trade (a minor theme in The Megalithic Empire) is the following. It turns out that the one animal that cannot be shifted long distance under its own steam is the pig. It loses too much weight. But this is Man's favourite meat animal. Therefore pigs always have to be raised near their end-consumers. But feeding them is a problem. Unless you are a brewer since the by-products of brewing are perfect for pigs.

But, as the following quote makes clear, it may be that brewers were a general place for fattening animals at the end of the droving roads and immediately before they went to market:

Brewers grains, a by-product of beer production, are often used as a livestock feed. Because brewers grains provide protein, fiber, and energy, they can be useful in a variety of diets. Protein in brewers grains can meet a significant portion of supplemental protein requirements; in addition, they provide fiber and needed bulk in the diets of ruminants and horses.

Brewers grains and other brewers by-products have also been fed to pigs, sheep, and poultry. Currently, the primary market for wet brewers grains is as a dairy cattle feed; however, some may be fed to beef cattle in feedlots. Brewers grains have historically been marketed wet or dry, but wet brewers grains currently make up the majority of the marketed product. Brewers grains provide protein, energy, and fiber in livestock diets, but product variability can influence their utilization and necessitate a testing program to determine nutrient content
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Mick Harper
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Did you know that cows can't stand on three legs? Oh, you did. But did you know why that is important in traditional droving practices? Well, it's like this. Cattle can be driven hundreds of miles quite happily between where they are raised and where they are ultimately consumed. Except for their hooves. Which wear out just like horses' hooves do.

So drovers shod cattle with horse-shoes (cow-shoes?). But horses can stand on three feet so a blacksmith can lift one horse-leg, put a shoe on it, do the next leg etc. Not cattle. They have to be rolled on to their side, all four cow-shoes put on and then the poor beast has to be bodily lifted on to its feet again. Oh, you knew that too. Fuck you then, I won't bother next time.
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...the poor beast has to be bodily lifted on to its feet again.


My arse...

A recumbent cow is perfectly capable of regaining its own footing.

Have you never seen cattle spring back to their feet, after being dragged to the ground and branded, in those old episodes of Rawhide?

(P'rhaps you're thinking of turtles?)
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