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Wile E. Coyote
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Was Arthur a metal worker or blacksmith?
There are a number of correspondences here. Too many to mention.
Arthur is linked to Excalibur and lakes/pools . Swords are smelted in pools. Beheadings (you need a sword to behead) therefore are linked to pools (ask Spiral)
Arthur limps (In some versions). Blacksmiths limp.
Arthur gets cuckolded by Guinevere, Blacksmiths like Hephaestus get cuckolded (as does Thor)
Guinervere who is in fact Winified are both linked to pools.
The name Arthur breaks down to Ar (golden, in fact any or..ange(l) metal) and Thor. (It looks like tor doesn't it)
The megalithic people used the colour of metals to sign within their myths.
The Arthur myth is closely associated with the megalithic mining area.
This is because Arthur is a 'survivor' (returning saviour) of a earlier metal working, mining, megalithic, (magiclithic), magic performing, people.
Did these people trade in salt?
Or were they using another currency?
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Ishmael
In: Toronto
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| Wile E. Coyote wrote: | | The name Arthur breaks down to Ar (golden, in fact any or..ange(l) metal) and Thor. |
No it doesn't. It's another form of Adam (like Aten and Atom).
You can recognize who he is because his wife is Queen Eve (Guinervere).
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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| Ishmael wrote: | | Wile E. Coyote wrote: | | The name Arthur breaks down to Ar (golden, in fact any or..ange(l) metal) and Thor. |
No it doesn't. It's another form of Adam (like Aten and Atom).
You can recognize who he is because his wife is Queen Eve (Guinervere). |
Maybe, but does Adam really belongs in a separate group. (sheep watchers?)
In colour terms he is associated with the white christ rather than the red.
In megalithia colours and practices associated with metal working were important.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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Mind you when I looked at Adam on a couple of name sites. I got earth, ruddy (sic) ground, hearth.
So with a skip I reached earth, hearth, arthur....
Hearth/Arthur linked to fire and then to metal working.
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Ishmael
In: Toronto
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| Wile E. Coyote wrote: | | So with a skip I reached earth, hearth, arthur.... |
Yes. All of these words have their root is what I call the "a-tzar" form. "Tzar" meaning division or thing-designated-as-separate-from-all-other-things. The "A" prefix meaning first or primary.
Hearth and Earth and Ash and Atom and Aten and Adam. Just some of the forms this concept takes. To reduce something to Ash is to reduce it to its Atoms (so far as the ancients were concerned): That is, reduce it to its primary constituent material.
Adam is formed of the dust of the earth.
What is the dust of the earth? The Atoms of which the Earth is composed. To pick up Earth in one's hand is to feel as soil the Atomic component of the ground upon which we stand.
Adam himself is the primary root of the human race. We are all made of Adam. And Adam himself is made of Adam -- that is Atom -- Dust.
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Hatty
Site Admin
In: Berkshire
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| Wile E. Coyote wrote: | Did these people trade in salt?
Or were they using another currency? |
Looking again at salt, the production is quite specialised and the processing results in salt of varying quality/refinement. A widespread currency depends on quantity as well as quality though there were certainly salt tolls. But presumably this applies just as urgently to metal ores.
Mind you when I looked at Adam on a couple of name sites. I got earth, ruddy (sic) ground, hearth.
So with a skip I reached earth, hearth, arthur....
Hearth/Arthur linked to fire and then to metal working. |
Salt crystals obtained from boiling the stuff in pans were transferred into ceramic pots. The pots being porous absorbed other soluble minerals such as magnesium, chloride and bromides (in sea-water), and the impurities ended up on the outside effectively.
Salterns in Essex are known as 'red hills'. [I'm struck by the 'Megalithic' colours, it's an interesting spiritual analogy as well -- pure (white) salt as the soul or anima, within a (red) clay 'breathing' vessel. The pots or briquetage 'die' but the salt is saved.]
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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| Hatty wrote: |
Salterns in Essex are known as 'red hills'. [I'm struck by the 'Megalithic' colours, it's an interesting spiritual analogy as well -- pure (white) salt as the soul or anima, within a (red) clay 'breathing' vessel. The pots or briquetage 'die' but the salt is saved.] |
Colours matter.
Our good friend Wireloop was (I think) going to remind us that Judas knocked over the salt cellar in Leonardos Last Supper.....
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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Seeing and recognising
'See, my son,' said Vespasian, "Money does not stink." with this, he threw the coin to Titus. "If you study the origins of money and not just its reputation, you will make a fine Emperor..."
A few days later Titus was thinking about the origins of money, and what those first shaped nuggets might have looked like.
For some reason an ancient passage by a Greek historian came into mind.
The inhabitants of that part of Britain which is called Belerion ... prepare the tin, working very carefully the earth in which it is produced. The ground is rocky but it contains earthy veins, the produce of which is ground down, smelted and purified. They beat the metal into masses shaped like knuckle-bones and carry it off to a certain island off Britain called Ictis.
During the ebb of the tide the intervening space is left dry and they carry over to the island the tin in abundance in their wagons ... Here then the merchants buy the tin from the natives and carry it over to Gaul, and after travelling overland for about thirty days, they finally bring their loads on horses to the mouth of the Rhone.
[Diodorus Siculus writing around 1 AD.
Wiki.] |
The inspiration for Coin can be found here.....
http://andrewmccabe.ancients.info/EarlyMoney.html
Examples of megalithic pre-coinage can be found here.
http://www.swmag.org/index.php/stories/erme-estuary-ingots
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Wile E. Coyote
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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The financial "expert" on Radio 5, has decided that Bitcoin was in problems because these weren't real metal coins....!
The metal age will never end.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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Coin enthusiasts are, within the popular imagination, a coterie of dullards.
The hidden attraction of coin seems to be the study of detail, often involving patient painstaking sequencing and meticulous historical research....
It is oft said, that the qualities we hold most dear in others are the very qualities we lack in ourselves.....
Here is an interesting (to me) site, that I uncovered whilst researching COIN.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/LAS/arc/kokhba/Html%20New/New%20Index.htm
Jewish freedom fighters hatched a cunning plan to stamp on the emperor's head.
The question the site asks is..Which emperor?
Wile drew his own conclusion....
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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The way that most folks will try to solve the riddle of the "Bar Kokhba" coins, is to try and make out (they stare at the coin and visualise) the missing features of the hidden emperor, and compare these with a coin already known.
You then look up the emperor's dates and hey presto, you have a emperor and a date.
Problem solved......?
| Wiki wrote: | | Fomenko rejects numismatic dating as circular, being based on the traditional chronology, and points to cases of similar coins being minted in distant periods, unexplained long periods with no coins minted and cases of mismatch of numismatic dating with historical accounts |
Not so easy?
Still you have learnt a lesson. How orthodox numismatics works.....
But you still need your answer.
You need to account for coins.....
Or you don't. You dismiss all ancient coins as forgeries.....
The Bar Kokhba being a forgery over a forgery......
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Ishmael
In: Toronto
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The way to approach History (and prehistory) is to reject chronology in favour of sequence. What we learn from these coins is that one was struck over-top the other, and therefore follows it in sequence.
This sequence may have been engineered by a forger (and coin enthusiast) demonstrating the very attention to detail for which coin-collecting is noted, or the sequence may genuinely inform us that the Jewish Rebellion followed the reign of the emperor pictured.
If we assume the latter, we know something with certainty. The sequence of events. We do not know the dates.
This is what Fomenko means when he says that he rejects "numismatic dating as circular, being based on the traditional chronology." If you eliminate reference to chronology, you are left with sequence---and assembling the sequence is precisely how we will ultimately recover history. Indeed, Fomenko does precisely that in other areas of his book, working with maps.
It would be a great exercise to grab some images of coinage from various eras and, without reference to the history books, sequence them according to style, workmanship and detail. We might discover the results run contrary to orthodox chronology.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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| Ishmael wrote: | | The way to approach History (and prehistory) is to reject chronology in favour of sequence. |
I really wish, I had my signature after that.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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| Ishmael wrote: |
It would be a great exercise to grab some images of coinage from various eras and, without reference to the history books, sequence them according to style, workmanship and detail. We might discover the results run contrary to orthodox chronology. |
Sage advice.
Historians use numismatics to give credence to their incredible stories.
Coin enthusiasts use these incredible stories to bump up the value of the coins.
That is what happens now. That is what happened in the past....
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