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Mick Harper
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I don't see the connection unless Ghislane was the cut-out as Maxwell, knowing he was going under, was using her to spirit away the proceeds. The business models seem quite different. Maxwell was at least doing something, Epstein was just shuffling money around. Unless I hear different.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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| Grant wrote: | We've done the experiment. It was the cruise ship, the Diamond Princess. We allowed 2,000 mostly elderly people to live with 2,000 mostly third worlders in a metal box. We made them breathe the same air and wander around a dirty ship sharing buffet food and sitting next to each other for weeks on end. We have the results: only 15% got Coronavirus, of those half had no symptoms whatsoever. And 7 died - 0.2% of the total.
This must represent an upper bound of the numbers who will be affected in Europe and the US. Interestingly, it's just been announced that 17% of Londoners may have been infected according to the antibody tests |
Looks like will come in at 20-25% .
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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| Mick Harper wrote: | | I don't see the connection unless Ghislane was the cut-out as Maxwell, knowing he was going under, was using her to spirit away the proceeds. The business models seem quite different. Maxwell was at least doing something, Epstein was just shuffling money around. Unless I hear different. |
I've heard different. There were many more things (and people) in common (besides Ghislane).
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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Oh yes, I know all about them. I just wanted to see if you did too.
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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We are in the middle of a perfect storm of incompetence from a) experts b) government c) media. The latest example:
1. Boris Johnson is poised to make a footling statement of their general unpreparedness about something or other
2. Imperial College weighs in an hour before with a preposterous statement about how several millions of Brits would have died if only etc etc
3. The media then rounds on Johnson not for the unpreparedness but for not heeding Imperial College and imperilling millions of Brits etc etc.
I accept there is a lot to be said for incompetence in high places -- it minimises the chances of them interfering in our lives unduly -- but this current lot are particularly terrible. I am switching to Starmer for a bit.
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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Coincidentally, on Radio 4 this morning, Rory Stewart was being interviewed by a reporter who seemed to be going off-piste and daring to mention that the Holy Scientific Advisers have made changes (before the government also made changes).
Rory smelled the bait trying to lure him into a trap, side stepped, and loyally toed the ortho-party line:
| Rory: the Government was absolutely doing I think what the Chief Medical Officer and Chief Scientific Officer were telling them to do |
(At that time, subject to change, the value of your advice may go up as well as down)
SAGE advice from committee minutes in March:
| “SAGE was unanimous that measures seeking to completely suppress spread of Covid19 will cause a second peak. SAGE advises that it is a near certainty that countries such as China, where heavy suppression is underway, will experience a second peak once measures are relaxed.†|
(No lockdown recommended then)
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/888783/S0383_Fifteenth_
SAGE_meeting_on_Wuhan_Coronavirus__Covid-19__.pdf
Deputy Chief Medical Officer Dr Jenny Harries on BBC on 10 March:
| I would beg to differ on a scientific basis with Mr Stewart |
(disagreeing with Rory Stewart who wanted a lockdown)
https://twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/status/1270792181050195974
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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| Mick Harper wrote: |
2. Imperial College weighs in an hour before with a preposterous statement about how several millions of Brits would have died if only etc etc
3. The media then rounds on Johnson not for the unpreparedness but for not for heeding Imperial College and imperilling millions of Brits etc etc. |
"Current Affairs" Media perhaps?
Medical media people are inevitably a bit slower out of the starting blocks, because they sometimes have to gather their evidence-based medicine before responding.
| Simon Wood, a Professor at Bristol University, entitled “Did COVID-19 infections decline before UK lockdown?†– suggest the R number was <1 before the lockdown was imposed. |
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2005.02090.pdf
| The same conclusion was reached by Carl Heneghan, Professor of Evidence-Based Medicine at Oxford, who has long maintained that infections peaked shortly after the Government introduced a raft of social distancing measures on March 16th and were declining by the time the lockdown was imposed on March 23rd. |
| The peak of deaths occurred on April 8th, and if you understand that then you work backwards to find the peak of infections. That would be 21 days before then, right before the point of lockdown. |
| the trajectory of the pandemic has followed almost exactly the same pattern in every country it’s afflicted, regardless of whether or not that country locked down, when it locked down or the severity of the lockdown it imposed. |
| SAGE noted at a meeting on March 10th that banning public gatherings would have little effect since most viral transmission occurred in confined spaces, such as within households. |
Etcetera ad nauseum.
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Ishmael
In: Toronto
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The average age of death by coronavirus is 81.
Death rates world-wide are on a par so far this year with previous years.
The world is mad.
It is mad because the elites all have their heads stuck up each other's assholes. They only listen to others of their class and they are all agreed on the right opinions. Ideas are adopted like fashions and to be out of fashion is to be ejected from the governing class.
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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Good egg, somebody is about to ride to our rescue. As soon as we know what class and which elite we have to avoid, and which class and elite (non-elite?) to turn to, and as soon as they know who they are so they can agree which are the fashionable ideas (boo) and which are the ... er .. other ideas (hooray) we should be all right.
Thanks, Ish. When the chips are down the Man of Destiny always tells us what to do. After the event, I suppose, and when it happens again they'll be the governing class/elite with their heads stuck up each other's bottoms but, hey, that's progress, right? We are all progressives now.
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Ishmael
In: Toronto
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It's always a mistake to engage in these conversations.
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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I know, pet, leave it to the big boys.
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Boreades
In: finity and beyond
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Oh, it just got better!
BBC et al reports the headline "deaths from Covid-19".
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| Over 95% of “COVID Deaths†recorded in England and Wales had potentially serious comorbidities, according to statistics released by NHS England. |
So what?
Here are the number of deaths where Covid19 was listed as the only cause, split by age:
Ages 0-19: 3
Ages 20-39: 32
Ages 40-59: 255
Ages 60-79: 551
Ages 80+: 477 |
Still so what?
| Simply put: Of the 27045 deaths with Covid19 in English hospitals (up to June 3rd), only 1318 had no pre-existing conditions. That’s less than 5%. |
Those big green bars are all the people who died “with†Covid19 AND some other serious disease. The little yellow bars are the people who died with Covid19 and nothing else.
What pre-existing conditions?
The report lists ischemic heart disease, chronic kidney disease, asthma and dementia among others. But it also lists nearly 19,000 “other†conditions, presumably including liver failure, emphysema, AIDS, ALL forms of cancers and literally potentially thousands of other diseases.
Implicit in this is the possibility that these diseases were the actual cause of death, and that Covid19 played no direct role at all. |
And that's if they actually had Covid-19 at all.
| the PCR test for coronavirus can return false positives in up to 80% of cases, so it’s entirely possible the majority of these deaths never even had the virus. |
So what we're left with is 95% are "normal" deaths from the normal grim-reaper's list of terminal tools. Maybe hastened a bit by Covid-19 (as a catalyst), but not caused by Covid-19.
For want of an analogy, Covid-19 presses down the accelerator of a car already carrying an occupant at speed towards an immovable brick wall.
Latest report data here:
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/06/COVID-19-total-announced-deaths-3-June-2020-weekly-tables.xlsx
Keep taking the sunshine. Get some exercise. Drink red wine.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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UK=2.0
US=1.8
Germany, Italy and Austria =1.5
China, France and Singapore=1.0
It's yet another victory for the Brits.
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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Or as Donald Trump would say, British record-keeping.
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Chad
In: Ramsbottom
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| Wile E. Coyote wrote: | UK=2.0
US=1.8
Germany, Italy and Austria =1.5
China, France and Singapore=1.0
It's yet another victory for the Brits. |
O.k... give us a clue.
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