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Ishmael


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wow!
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Wile E. Coyote


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There is some low hanging fruit here...

The Hare messenger (Trickster) appears as often as Hermes does in TME.

You just need to know where to sight him.....(whoops another paradigm error) Hares are hermaphrodites well at least according to Herodotus they were......

This has led to not a little misunderstanding....

Sir Thomas Browne unpicks all this (with a lot of humour) in his excellent discussion on retromingency (pissing backwards) and retrocopulation.....

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/pseudodoxia/pseudo317.html
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Wile E. Coyote


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You don't believe me do you?

Ok let's start from another direction........

Let's count sheep or knit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yan_tan_tethera

Aen, Taen, Tethere Fethera Phubs.....


Looks familiar doesn't it....

Odin, Tyr, Thor, Freya, Frigg



Can't see why nobody else can see it .......or rather I can.

It's been appropriated by your folky/alternative types who want it to fit their notions of local pastoral idyll.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J3BXqQadA8

The truth is more boring.
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Wile E. Coyote


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wiki wrote:
Sheep-counting systems ultimately derive from Brythonic Celtic languages, such as Cumbric, although Tim Gay writes: “They [sheep-counting systems from all over the British Isles] all compared very closely to 18th-century Cornish and modern Welsh”. It is impossible, given the corrupted form in which they have survived, to be sure of their exact origin.


Orthodoxy has concluded the sheep counting systems stem from Brythonic Celtic languages, such as Cumbric.....

So it's somewhat surprising that there is a persuasive resemblance to so called Germanic/Norse gods....
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Wile E. Coyote


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Something else thats a bit of mystery is the number of Tre places and surnames in Cornwall.

Tre/Tri is basically three everwhere other than Celtland ...In Cornwall we are told it means "settlement".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_in_Norse_mythology

Where are the Three Hares commonly found?
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Wile E. Coyote


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Where was the biggest tin mining region in Europe?

wiki wrote:

The three hares is a circular motif which appears in sacred sites from the Middle and Far East to the churches of south west England (where it is often referred to as the "Tinners’ Rabbits").[37] It occurs with the greatest frequency in the churches of the West Country of England. The motif appears in architectural wood carving, stone carving, window tracery and stained glass. In South Western England there are nearly thirty recorded examples of the Three Hares appearing on 'roof bosses' (carved wooden knobs) on the ceilings in medieval churches in Devon, (particularly Dartmoor). There is a good example of a roof boss of the Three hares at Widecombe-in-the-Moor,[38] Dartmoor, with another in the town of Tavistock on the edge of the moor.



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Tinners' Rabbits is the name of a dance of many forms involving use of sticks and rotation of three, six or nine dancers.[39][40]
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Wile E. Coyote


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The Celts orthodoxy tell were using vigesimal numbering systems, (based on the number twenty), but apparently lacking words to describe quantities larger than twenty.

The Norse/Germanic nations were obsessed by 3's and 9's

The currency according to Coin...........

http://www.swmag.org/index.php/stories-reports/erme-estuary-ingots
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Wile E. Coyote


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This isn't going to win me any welsh friends......
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Wile E. Coyote wrote:
The Celts orthodoxy tell were using vigesimal numbering systems, (based on the number twenty), but apparently lacking words to describe quantities larger than twenty.

The Norse/Germanic nations were obsessed by 3's and 9's

The currency according to Coin...........

http://www.swmag.org/index.php/stories-reports/erme-estuary-ingots


It took me a couple of years to puzzle this out.
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Mick Harper
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It gets quicker the more you rush in.
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Wile E. Coyote


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Mick Harper wrote:
It gets quicker the more you rush in.


Maybe you are right......

The chappie who has done the website on the three hares has finally got his book out 49 years after first seeing the symbol.....Without coming to any real conclusion

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2082809-the-three-hares-motif-is-an-ancient-mystery-for-our-times/

He doesn't realise Wiley has solved it.
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aurelius



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Going back a bit in this thread, DPCrisp wrote:

And rather mysteriously, hardly any resemblance between P and Pi, Π, π.


Ï€ is the first letter of the Greek word periphery,

περιφέρεια

(a word which aptly also contains the 'ph') and means, 'the line around the circle'. The first attested use of π as a symbolic ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter is reckoned to be by John Machin (Wiki).

An early form of pi was Greek appeared like a gamma with a hook (can't reproduce here but imagine the old hangman game without the hanging man and the diagonal bar).
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Here is the actual symbol for phi: φ

Behold the letter p.


No-one seems to have checked that Greek letter P/p is in fact consistently regarded as rho, ρώ which became our R/r.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_alphabet

Π π becomes our P/p

and Φ φ our F/f

(My last sentence on my previous post should have read "An early form of pi appeared like a gamma with a hook....").
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Ishmael


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So they tell us. I say its smoke and mirrors.

If you square Phi, you get a number exactly 1 greater than itself: 2.618. Phi ^2 = Phi + 1.

1.618^2 = 2.618
1.618 + 1 = 2.618

There are 26 letters in the English Alphabet. An interesting number is 26. It's a base ten multiple of 2.6.

26 divided by the Phi ratio is of course, 16---another number that can easily stand for Phi itself. Which means the English Alphabet is composed of 16 + 10 = 26---or 1.6 + 1 = 2.6.

And what is the 16th letter of the English alphabet?

P
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Ishmael


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The first 8 letters of the English alphabet are A B C D E F G H. With the exception of H, these are the letters of the musical "octave," a word which means "eight." The place of H, on the musical scale, is substituted by the repetition of A, as the octave repeats over and over again. But as we can see, H is the letter A, with the top open instead of closed. H is, in fact, the A repeated. It is the ancient "Hash" symbol, representing the first thing---the A-tzar--the atom.

Were these first eight letters equally spaced along the edge of a ruler and the ruler divided by Phi such that the first part was the smaller of the two resulting sections, the dividing line would be drawn between the third and fourth letters: To find this line, we divide 8 by 2.6. The result is 3.06.

Interestingly, the ratio between the alphabetic octave at the beginning of the alphabet and the alphabet as a whole is 3.08---a very close approximation of the Phi line within the octave.

But much more interesting is the nature of the third and fourth letters of the Octave, which sit to either side of the Phi line. Those letters are C and D, with the Phi line leaving less space to C than to D.

And the symbol for 1.618 is Φ---made by placing a D immediately right of a C.
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