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Mick Harper
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As a good Marxist, I accept the objective reality of what you are saying but I doubt the consciousness of the Iranian mob would be raised to this level in the brief period between ISIS erupting into their midst and the chanting reaching complete unanimity (about five minutes).

Still, both Sunni and Cher are noted for their black-and-white view of the world so it is not to be ruled out. Even so, where are the Kurds to fit in? The Iranians too have a Kurdsish minority problem, and the Kurds are Sunni. We should never forget that underlining all the religious superstructure lies the much more basic racial divide between Semitics and Aryans (not forgetting Kurds of course). Maybe it is time for the Americans to play the Aryan card. Not that Americans are very Aryan nowadays.
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Mick Harper wrote:
Even so, where are the Kurds to fit in? The Iranians too have a Kurdsish minority problem, and the Kurds are Sunni. .


The brutal answer seems to be nowhere, or under a steamroller.. Along with the Christian minorities in the same area that all get lumped together by the MSM and are all called "rebels". Because it's just too damn confusing to try and unravel the mess when the News At Ten (or whenever) wants nice simple headlines.

The Kurds and the Christians in the area are doubly cursed by living (or trying to) in the biggest playground for remote-control warfare the world has ever known. A veritable Vergeltungswaffen wet dream.

That's even without taking into account the neighbours. Greece is still a huge multi-billion customer for French and German weapons. What does Greece want the weapons for? Old scores still unsettled? With who? Oh, another NATO country.

One could continue. Egypt etc.
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Mick Harper
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You've suddenly gone all saloon bar, Borry.

The brutal answer seems to be nowhere, or under a steamroller.. Along with the Christian minorities in the same area

They are quite different cases. The Christians can indeed be 'disappeared' at any time. The Kurds--purportedly the largest ethnic group without a state in the world today--cannot. They were, are and forever will be a fixture.

that all get lumped together by the MSM and are all called "rebels". Because it's just too damn confusing to try and unravel the mess when the News At Ten (or whenever) wants nice simple headlines.

This would be unlike you and me, Borry, who understand the problem so much better than the professionals.

The Kurds and the Christians in the area are doubly cursed by living (or trying to) in the biggest playground for remote-control warfare the world has ever known. A veritable Vergeltungswaffen wet dream.

Nope, lost me.

That's even without taking into account the neighbours. Greece is still a huge multi-billion customer for French and German weapons. What does Greece want the weapons for? Old scores still unsettled? With who? Oh, another NATO country.

Really lost me.

One could continue. Egypt etc
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Really, really lost me.
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This would be unlike you and me, Borry, who understand the problem so much better than the professionals..


You're on your own there, I don't pretend to understand the problem. I'm an idle bystander with facile opinions. But full marks for your "appeal to authority", I'll be sure to mention it in my next report to my controllers, to make sure you get the recognition. And maybe a knock on your door.
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Mick Harper
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It's an Applied Epistemological principle to rely on orthodoxy for data. However there are also saloon bar know-it-alls who frequently mistake necessarily simplified summations for over-simplified thinking. It is imperative in these multi-factorial situations to understand that nobody understands them. Or can ever understand them.

This is why external intervention is so dangerous. For the internal players it is merely politics by other means--you win some, you lose some. For external players it is merely a choice between being ineffective and being effective but with unintended consequences. Which does not mean the temptation should always be resisted. As you know, another Applied Epistemological principle is that there are no fixed principles. Except that one. Except that one.
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Pretty Priti has resigned....

Priti decided not to stay at Cliff's gaff (OOOHH) or Mikhail's Yacht (AAARR) and headed off to the Golan Heights.

She stayed at a luxury 5 star Israeli field hospital, currently treating injured Al Qaeda fighters operating in Syria.

Why Israel is doing this, unless they have entered a unholy pact on the basis of my enemy's enemy is my friend... escapes moi.

Still history (Not Scottie's) tells us this might backfire.

Priti's problem is that the poor old UK can't justify giving International Aid to traditional places like India, as they currently have a advanced Space Programme and are buying up our Steel industry (err with British State bungs) so she has to look for more deserving alternatives..... like AQ.

What a stunner. Phwoar.
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Mick Harper
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What a stunner. Phwoar.

Actually, since you mention it, office seems to have coarsened her. A politican's looks is a stock-in-trade.

Pretty Priti has resigned....

This led to an agonised debate about what is a resignation and what is a sacking. I have never understood, since it is always a sacking, why politicians (sacker or sackee) demand such nuances. I suppose it is like my relationship break-ups. They were all by mutual consent. Only my pillow had to be changed.

Priti decided not to stay at Cliff's gaff (OOOHH) or Mikhail's Yacht (AAARR) and headed off to the Golan Heights.

This factor was interestingly absent. She really does seem to be an idealist. Like Jeremy and Big Mac are idealists.

She stayed at a luxury 5 star Israeli field hospital,

Not sure where else ministers of the crown should stay but it certainly would have helped with the optics if it had been a pup tent in a MASH unit.

currently treating injured Al Qaeda fighters operating in Syria.

I missed this. Is it gospel?

Why Israel is doing this, unless they have entered a unholy pact on the basis of my enemy's enemy is my friend... escapes moi.

Yes, that is what surprises me. In the good old days Israel could rely on Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia and America. The first two are gone, the third is iffy (whichever way it swings) and lining up with Al Quaeda, though making sense locally, would jeopardise America.

Still history (Not Scottie's) tells us this might backfire.

Not for Israel. They always seem to come out ahead. Maybe they are The Chosen Nation.

Priti's problem is that the poor old UK can't justify giving International Aid to traditional places like India, as they currently have a advanced Space Programme and are buying up our Steel industry (err with British State bungs) so she has to look for more deserving alternatives..... like AQ.

If I thought she was capable of such subtle radicalism I would join her fan club. Her incredible stupidity would then be a double bluff.
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Mick Harper
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The best explanation for Prittigate goes like this

1. Ms Patel is an ambitious workaholic.
2. She is Development Secretary, a job involving an endless round of dealing with obscure people in disagreeable places doing un-newsworthy things.
3. She goes on a family holiday to Israel.
4. After two days of crazy golf she is bored to tears.
5. The Israelis spot an opportunity and invite her to have a look at X
6. X is professionally interesting but not political enough to require 'contacting the office’
7. The Israeli honey-trappers suggest Y might interest her too
8. Pritti is both flattered and intrigued and goes along.
9. The HT’s suggest Z would round out the trip nicely and she doesn’t want to upset her new friends and while she really ought to contact the office about Z, they might ask about X and Y.
10. "And just up there, Pritti, is the famous Golan Heights ... care for a quick peak? We'll have to pull some strings but we may just..."
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I don't think that Israel helping AQ is a surprise. AQ's most effective enemies were secular states like Assad's Syria and Saddam's Iraq. The latter has fallen but the war continues against the former
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Another issue is that surely it can't be unusual for government ministers to have offline chats with all sorts of people. Otherwise, how would anything get agreed? She's fallen because she's a prominent Brexiteer.
Interesting that Boris said she was a first-class minister just after she resigned.
Next job Home Secretary
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Mick Harper
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Another issue is that surely it can't be unusual for government ministers to have offline chats with all sorts of people.

Not so much unusual as forbidden (by the ministerial code). Every communication, in and out, has to be witnessed and minuted. The minister-as-politician has more scope but there is no question of Ms Patel being in Israel as a politician. She was on a family holiday. Admittedly an odd choice.

Otherwise, how would anything get agreed?

Well, you may be right but that was what Pritti signed up for.

She's fallen because she's a prominent Brexiteer.

This is so preposterous it could only have been written by a Brexiteer.

Interesting that Boris said she was a first-class minister just after she resigned.

I don't see why. First off, everyone always says that sort of thing after a shock resignation; second off, by all accounts she actually was.

Next job Home Secretary

Since Amber Rudd is pencilled in as next PM, Pritti would have been a good bet. Now there is no chance. She might work her way back in eventually at a level junior even than Development Sec. Rudd, by the way, is a scion of a family specialising in offshore company-promotion (fairly shady ones at that) so she might get outed and blighted in the near future.
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The big conspiracy theory in the USA right now is that Mandalay Bay was actually a failed attempt on the life of Mohammad bin Salman. Alwaleed bin Talal actually owns the top floors of the Mandalay Bay, from which the shooting occurred. Leaked security cam footage from the Tropicana shows a heavy-set man being escorted out of the Casino by armed guards in the middle of the attack. The man resembles Mohammad bin Salman. Credible witnesses report that there were bullets fired by armed men at the Belagio. A dead body covered in a white towel was filmed by iPhone on the lower floors of the Mandalay Bay. Theory is the terror attack was intended as a distraction. There are reports of a helicopter hovering near the roof of the Mandalay Bay with a false transponder (it was cloaked as a passenger plane).

More info here.
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Mick Harper wrote:

currently treating injured Al Qaeda fighters operating in Syria.

I missed this. Is it gospel?



This was where Priti had her holiday.

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Report-Israel-treating-al-Qaida-fighters-wounded-in-Syria-civil-war-393862
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"Friends" (ie...not willing to go on record) of Priti are blaming the FO .

This is an age old game, between those that believe the FO is pro Arab and those that believe it's pro Israeli......

I suspect it's more the case that the FO is pro the FO... and resent those amateurs (elected officials trying to make a difference) on their patch, ie area of expertise.....but who knows....?
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Mick Harper
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These proto-conspiracy theories are all very well but none of them explain why Priti was prepared to throw away her career (unless she is part of the conspiracy).
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