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Wile E. Coyote


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Mick Harper wrote:
Aren't you forgetting these are all late medieval forgeries trying to look 'Celtic'?


Maybe, as I am trying for understanding not memory.
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Wile E. Coyote


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Boreades wrote:
Mornington Crescent.


You have memorised an imaginary destination.
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Wile E. Coyote


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Wile E. Coyote wrote:


The scribes "solved" this problem by placing complex spirals and knot-work patterns around the borders of the pages as a distraction.



By now it should be clear that the scribes have not in fact "solved" the problem at all, they have simply adapted a solution that has been passed down through the ages.

They are fighting the "original" first battle between hero and dragon.

The strategy is "copied" but the tactics have adapted.

Any individual originality on behalf of the scribe is tactical.
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Boreades


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Hatty wrote:
There was a whole network of beacons in the south apparently prior to the Armada so the assumption must be that all the coastal areas had some kind of beacon system in place.

Keith Briggs did a project to see if the beacon points in Dorset and Hampshire were intervisible and found that they were:


I also did a similar project, "Navigations and directions", it's documented on TME:
http://www.themegalithicempire.nl/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1911
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Wile E. Coyote


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Wile E. Coyote wrote:
They are fighting the "original" first battle between hero and dragon.

You might be wondering if we can evidence this first original battle.

The answer is that no we can't evidence that a single original battle occurred, as "in the beginning" everywhere in the whole world was covered with dragons, and all of them required slaying.....

How do we know this?

Simple.

Everywhere we find oral evidence of heroes and saints engaged in Dragon Slaying and ancient physical evidence of that oldest of all symbols the SPIRAL.
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Wile E. Coyote


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Of course the elaboration of the theory leads to problems. The value of any research programme is its ability to produce new ideas to resolve these.

A spiral or a pattern of knots might be sufficient protection for a smallish manuscript containing the WORD but if the ancients were truly worried by Dragons then the countryside should be littered with massive spiral type dragon traps.

Fortunately for Wiley it is.
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Wile E. Coyote


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Of course Orthodoxy is perplexed by all this. Obsessed by invasions and warring tribes, they miss the obvious.

Hillforts are perfectly designed to protect livestock and people against dragons not warring tribes.

The Strategy is unaltered, the individual variation in each hillfort is dictated by the specific tactics just as it was for manuscripts.

It just occurs on a different scale.
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Well I'll say this much. This is an original thesis that actually relies upon reason and evidence to make a specific case. Very good!
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Mick Harper
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Everywhere we find oral evidence of heroes and saints engaged in Dragon Slaying and ancient physical evidence of that oldest of all symbols the SPIRAL.

Aren't you forgetting these are all late medieval forgeries trying to look 'Celtic'?
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Mick Harper
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Sorry, I realise I am breaking the First Rule of the AEL: new ideas must not be opposed until they have proper legs. Marchez, mon brave.
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Wile E. Coyote


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This is a run through for something much larger.

We look at "celtic". We look at "forgeries".

I haven't made up my mind yet, but in general..... the existence of forgeries is good evidence that a new paradigm is correct.
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Wile E. Coyote


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We have reached a "stepping stone" in our investigation. On the one hand we have a interestingish idea (to me), "hill-forts are designed against attacking dragons..." on the other hand we have a curse of dissenters.
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Wile E. Coyote


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Lets take a look at the Dundee Dragon.

http://www.wyrm.org.uk/ukdracs/strathmartin.html

wyrm org wrote:

The story goes that the Farmer at Pitempton had nine daughters and one day he sent the youngest to the nearby well to fetch water. After waiting for many an hour she had not returned and so he sent his next youngest daughter in search of her. When that daughter did not return either he sent all his other daughters out looking for them. Having run out of daughters to send out, he went out himself to look for his nine offspring. Heading towards the well he found a great serpent surrounded by the dead bodies of his lovely daughters just outside the village of Baldragon. He quickly raised the alarm and a local man called Martin, the son of the blacksmith and lover of one of the daughters, set out with his trusty hammer. On encountering the dragon a chase ensued in which Martin harried the dragon towards Kirkton of Strathmartine. The dragon, already weary from pursuit and the blows of Martin's hammer, made its last stand just north of Strathmartin where the blacksmith's son took one mighty swing and crushed the creature's head on a stone. The stone has been called Martin's Stone from that very day. A local rhyme commemorates the occasion.

Tempted at Pitempton
Draigled at Baldragon
Stricken at Strathmartin
And kill'd at Martin's stane.

The stone itself is of Pictish origins, probably from the 6th or 7th Century AD, and has been carved in relief on one side only. Depicted are two horsemen, a serpent, and a beast of Pictish origin.

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Wile E. Coyote


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Lets take a look at another dragon. This one is from Dinder.

Hatty wrote:
This Somerset dragon legend is fairly typical. It can probably be assumed that 'Bishop Jocelyn' is Sir John of Linton (especially if he had a lance, not a crozier!)

During the 1200s, Dulcote, Dinder and North Wootton were troubled by a dragon living at Worminster Sleight, who breathed fire, scorching fields, trees and sheep. The people called on the Bishop of Bath and Wells, Bishop Jocelyn, for help and he rode out alone to find the beast.

The details of his confrontation with the creature vary, depending on who tells the story. Some say he killed the dragon with a lance, others maintain he struck it down with his bare hands. In either case, the dragon ended up dead -- but the story does not end there. It seems that before it breathed its last it bestowed a curse and if the villagers ever forgot about the monster it would be able to return to life; and its chance for reincarnation would come every 50 years. So, to make sure it stayed dead, the people of Worminster Sleight and and the surrounding area did everything they could to keep the dragon's memory alive.


Keeping the memory of this dragon victory alive would be a useful reminder to everyone of the family's right to its land perhaps.


Sly fellows difficult to slay.
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Wile E. Coyote


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At this point we remember that one of AEs most respected members (Frank) has been beavering away trying to show a link between DN villages and hillforts.

Hmmmm...
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