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A Dove Tale (NEW CONCEPTS)
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Hatty
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Digging a little deeper into French pigeons, a couple of breeds stand out, 'Le Courrier Aerien' from Etampes and 'Les Pigeons Voyageurs' from Noisy-le-Grand. Both Etampes and Noisy are communes of Paris. And 'Le Messager de Boissy' in Boissy-Saint-Leger, a Paris suburb. Another breed, 'Poste Aerienne Mantaise', is in Mantes La Jolie which is situated on L'Ile-de-France, historically the heart of Paris.

There appears to be a pigeon breeding tradition in Paris but above all in Normandy where 535 dovecotes were recorded in Seine Maritime, Upper Normandy (roughly from Dieppe to Le Havre) at the beginning of the twentieth century.
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Hatty
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Voici the Duke of Normandy



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Colombophile??

What does the root "Colombo?" mean exactly?

Is this not a likely origin of the name, "Columbus", and of the several lands identified as "Columbia"?

Is British Columbia the former home (or last-remaining home) of the Passenger Pigeon?

Is a "Column" a pigeon tower?
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Which reminds me of an anecdote from an account of the Napoleonic Wars. The hero of the story (Marshall Jacques MacDonald) recalls a momentary crisis in military communications. The French troops in the field had a company(?) of homing pigeons, used for important communications with HQ and Napoleon. The pigeons had mysteriously disappeared, but a few troops were looking better fed than the others. :-)

By the way, I think it was the Iron Chicken from the Clangers.

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Ishmael wrote:
What does the root "Colombo?" mean exactly?

Is this not a likely origin of the name, "Columbus", and of the several lands identified as "Columbia"?

Is British Columbia the former home (or last-remaining home) of the Passenger Pigeon?

Is a "Column" a pigeon tower?

Why is the dove almost universally a symbol of peace? It may be the name Colombus or Colon in Spanish relates to Solomon, a form of 'shalom' meaning peace. Solomon also seems to be a 'sol' or sun reference, perhaps these two concepts are intertwined.

Pigeon towers or columbarias were round or polygonal, with rows of holes at regular intervals. They may have been intended as sundials or observatories plotting the movements of the sun, similar to stone circles as 'compasses', which pigeons colonised (another colombus word!) opportunistically like other bird species intruding themselves into human spaces. Over time the secondary purpose could have overridden the first.
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Columbus might be a kind of generic name for a mariner: Someone who sends forth the dove to find new land, as did Noah.

Stretching the concept further: Christopher literally means Christ-bearer. So Christopher Columbus is a sea-explorer who bears Christ to a new world.
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Ishmael wrote:
Columbus might be a kind of generic name for a mariner: Someone who sends forth the dove to find new land, as did Noah.

Stretching the concept further: Christopher literally means Christ-bearer. So Christopher Columbus is a sea-explorer who bears Christ to a new world.


Christopher = Crusader
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Wile E. Coyote wrote:


An example from the Bayeau Tapestry.


I've decided the two columns are Gog and Magog, or Boaz and Jachin, depending on which ritual you prefer.
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Ishmael wrote:
Columbus might be a kind of generic name for a mariner: Someone who sends forth the dove to find new land, as did Noah.

A coloniser.

Stretching the concept further: Christopher literally means Christ-bearer. So Christopher Columbus is a sea-explorer who bears Christ to a new world.

Chriche in Gaelic, also criche, used in conjunction with clach(=stone) means a landmark. Coin-criche means a canine tooth or eye-tooth "one of the four pointed conical teeth (two in each jaw) located between the incisors and the premolars" [which brings to mind the myth of Cadmus sowing dragon's teeth]. All of which makes one wonder where 'christ' originates. Not from the Greeks I'd guess.
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Ishmael wrote:
Columbus might be a kind of generic name for a mariner: Someone who sends forth the dove to find new land, as did Noah.

Stretching the concept further: Christopher literally means Christ-bearer. So Christopher Columbus is a sea-explorer who bears Christ to a new world.


CHR=Crow=Crone

The Crow is the failed mirror of the dove in the New World Miracle

THe Crone is the failed mirror of God in the New Baby Miracle.

The Crow/Crone is the origin of the Christ messenger.

Crow Crone Christ.
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So Christopher Columbus

Is really just crow/dove.

No wonder St Christopher became patron saint of travellers.

He carried navigational tools.

St Brigit represents the crone, one of the three chronological stages of a woman's life (Maiden, Matron, and Crone).

She has been air brushed from Christ's birth as it was turned from a normal safe childbirth to a miraculous (in a stable, no midwife) story

Christ becomes the starting point for a new year 1 chronology. Rather than a circular chronology.
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Officially crone is claimed to be derived from 'carrion' i.e. carcass [caroigne in French, 'caro' Latin]. Certainly crows and ravens are and were carrion birds so clearly crow and crone have a concept in common besides a similar etymology.

Crow and Dove seem to represent Body and Soul, the former being deemed contemptible thanks to the high-mindedness of certain Christian sects or a more general anti-Megalithic stance. In either case the widespread hostility towards crows and reverence of doves appear to be culturally determined since pigeons are just as, if not more, destructive of crops.
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Those two columns or pillars are also reminiscent of what we see in the painting by Cornelius de Vos, famous for his mythological, biblical and history scenes.



The Anointing of Solomon.

All good "royal narratives", like the Bayeux Tapestry, contain imagery that seek to legitimises the royal actions by association with "higher realms".
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Hatty wrote:
Officially crone is claimed to be derived from 'carrion' i.e. carcass [caroigne in French, 'caro' Latin]. Certainly crows and ravens are and were carrion birds so clearly crow and crone have a concept in common besides a similar etymology.

Crow and Dove seem to represent Body and Soul, the former being deemed contemptible thanks to the high-mindedness of certain Christian sects or a more general anti-Megalithic stance. In either case the widespread hostility towards crows and reverence of doves appear to be culturally determined since pigeons are just as, if not more, destructive of crops.


Hmmn not sure... pigeon shit is a valuable fertilizer, prized over the world, and pigeon meat is good.(?)
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