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Hatty wrote:
So she's (Genevieve) the goddess of LSD. She's depicted with a candle and ergotism is 'the burning sickness'.


Ardour means c.1386, "heat of passion or desire," from O.Fr. ardour, from L. ardorem (nom. ardor) "a flame, fire," from ardere "to burn". She's holding an ardur.
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It's rather a remarkable coincidence that Paris and London were wrangling over which city would get the meridian line and a bunch of Parisians were living in east Yorkshire

And the presumed capital of the Parisii, Petuaria, is pretty well bang on the Greenwich meridian.
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Anyone know what "Paur Ifa" might mean?

"Low pafltire"...er... low pasture, apparently.
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Anyone know what "Paur Ifa" might mean?

"Low pafltire"...er... low pasture, apparently.

How can Par-Issi be equated with low pasture? Nothing surprises me any more (though I was a bit taken aback when checking on the genealogy of the Percys, just to see if they were Paris-related, to find that the village of Perci in Normandy means apparently Persia-cum coz they'd been soldiering or sojourning in Persia...).
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And the presumed capital of the Parisii, Petuaria, is pretty well bang on the Greenwich meridian.

The tallest megalith in England, the Rudstone, is indeed bang on (0 degrees, 5 minutes W). It's close to Bridlington in line with Flamborough Head and various 'beacon hills' like Rudstone Beacon. Rudstone or 'Rood-stone' was at a crossroads, a cursus ran north-south and another east-west. As if X marks the spot. Can't have been a waymark, all these 'bright' and 'flame' places would've been sufficient for the purpose.

It's not quite as massive now due to erosion though, somewhat to the chagrin of stone-spotters, it was bestowed with a lead cap or covering for protection in 1773, an uncommon mark of respect or tenderness. It is however overshadowed by the Church of All Saints, though better than being summarily broken up. Perhaps its size saved it from the usual fate of standing stones, the rest of the assumed complex thought by some to have rivalled Stonehenge being more or less obliterated, but there might be another, more pragmatic reason for its survival.
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DPCrisp wrote:
And the presumed capital of the Parisii, Petuaria, is pretty well bang on the Greenwich meridian.


Ok. That's amazing. I think you guys may have found a secret of history here.
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Hatty wrote:
How can Par-Issi be equated with low pasture? Nothing surprises me any more (though I was a bit taken aback when checking on the genealogy of the Percys, just to see if they were Paris-related, to find that the village of Perci in Normandy means apparently Persia-cum coz they'd been soldiering or sojourning in Persia...).


Interesting.

Fomenko says the Parisians are the Persians.
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Fomenko says the Parisians are the Persians.

Hmm. I was thinking along the lines of parish (pasture can be spiritual nourishment for the flock). York Minster (i.e. monastery) is second only to Canterbury and Yorkshire is riddled with hermits and 'cells' and 'Eccles' places (cf. eglise) which place-name experts agree bear an 'English' nomenclature. It was always a troublesomely Catholic enclave as we know.

Online etymology says: c.1290, from Anglo-Fr. paroche (1292), parosse (c.1075), from O.Fr. paroisse, from L.L. parochia "a diocese," alt. of Late Gk. paroikia "a diocese or parish," from paroikos "a sojourner" (in Christian writers), in classical Gk. "neighbor," from para- "near" + oikos "house" (see villa). Sense development unclear, perhaps from "sojourner" as epithet of early Christians as spiritual sojourners in the material world. ... Replaced O.E. preostscyr, lit. "priest-shire."
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There's a megalithic "well" in Greenwich which measures the same thing as does the Monument and St Paul's dome (the latter two built to the instructions of Robert Hooke, of whom Ishmael has never heard): the transit of heavenly bodies (necessary, inter alia, for measuring astronomical distances)..
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On the matter of measuring the movement of heavenly bodies, I was wondering if the swastika had any astrological significance. The word is said to derive from Sanskrit meaning well-being though crooked cross would be more apt (I toyed with Wo- meaning crooked + stick). The symbol is referred to as a solar symbol that can move in either a clockwise or anticlockwise direction.

Here's an example of one engraved on a stone pointing north/north-west (a Victorian copy as the original's very faded). It's not just the arms but the 'cup' marks that make the design appear significant.

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And the presumed capital of the Parisii, Petuaria, is pretty well bang on the Greenwich meridian.

I thought Ermin Street went from London to York but looking at the map of Roman Roads In Britain it's clear that the road in fact links London and Petuaria (Brough as it's now called), after which the route goes in an arc to the west towards York. To get to Petuaria means having to cross the Humber so Ermin Street in effect terminates at Winteringham (Haven) on the south bank.

The map shows chalybeate springs near Winteringham, chalybeate meaning ferruginous from Latin chalybs meaning tempered iron or steel and is derived apparently from Chalybes (or Chaldoi), a mythical people from north Anatolia who invented iron-working. Chaldees? Just north of Brough are more springs, at Welton. Presumably a town with a well.
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Welton village church is dedicated to St. Helen. The local council information sheet describes the village as being centred on the church thus:

The special character and appearance of the
Welton Conservation Area has been created by
the disposition of the buildings in its historic
core so that they focus onto the Church. This
'jewel in the crown' appears as an 'island', an
impression enhanced by the clear stream
flowing down its northern side to the pond at
its west end. As such it is unique as a village
centre in the East Riding.


Not only is St Helen's highlighted by being half surrounded by water, it's on a hill from which, according to the council, you can see "the towers of York, Beverley and Howden Minsters and Lincoln Cathedral, with the naked eye". Helen is of course our Ellen, she of the roads and causeways as in Ellen's Way in Wales. Welton church contains a dilapidated figure of a Knight Templar and is a Grade I listed building, as is the village pub, The Green Dragon.

Overlooking Welton is Elloughton Hill, used by the Royal Observatory Corps in WWII (the Port of St Ellen on the Island of Islay was also a ROC post). The place-name dictionary refers to Elloughton (Elgendon in 1086) as 'the place of Helgi'; 'Eller's dun' as per nearby Ellerker and West Ella seems far more likely.

Could Ellen have a lunar connection? She's described as a 'Celtic sun goddess'. The pub in Elloughton is The Half Moon.
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As an afterthought, Helen is associated above all with Troy. From Troyes in northern France where a great medieval fair was held comes the Troy weight used to measure precious metals. Strange that Market Weighton looms up just north-west of Elloughton. The highest near point to Market Weighton is Arras Hill. (Arras has given its name to the Iron Age 'Arras culture' that is characterised by square barrows and multiple burials often accompanied by grave goods, including chariot burials.)

Troy weight according to wiki was measured using pure water (from a well?) and mercury: One cubic inch of distilled water, at 62 degrees F (17 degrees C), and at a barometric pressure of 30 inches of mercury, was determined to weigh 252.458 troy grains (gr).
However Troy weight is 'London weight', if you believe the other side. Or if you go down the other end of Ermin Street.

Merury is Hermes. There might be some connection between Ermin Street and Hermes.
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Arras has given its name to the Iron Age 'Arras culture'

What a strange association. To ninety-nine per cent of the population Arras is a First World War battle-site, ie up the road from Troyes. [The other one per cent associate it with 'behind the arras' from Hamlet, Arras being also a textile town.] Since it has long been an AE example of careful ignoral that orthodoxy never notices that Troyes is near Paris (the hero of Troy) perhaps we ought to be making a complete list of the connections between Yorkshire and Northern France.
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There might be some connection between Ermin Street and Hermes.

More on this, please. As you know, it is vital that we crush the orthodox etymology of hermit (from the Greek ἔρημος ēremos, signifying "desert", "uninhabited", hence "desert-dweller"; adjective: "eremitic") so we are on the constant, crazed lookout for ancient terms that point to Hermits being pre-Christian and, better, pre-Greek. We can start by proving that Ermin Street is not a Roman concoction.
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