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Ishmael


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Hypothesis:

The Book of Mormon is a latter-day forgery created by Mormons to account for their pre-existing beliefs (and, within which, additional doctrines were embedded). Likewise, the biography (and perhaps even the personage) of Joseph Smith was created as an origin story for the Mormon people.

Addendum:

The Mormons were in Utah long before their history records their presence.
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Grant



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Was it created by indigenous Americans? And would that explain the legends of white people encountering Indian tribes?

Problem with your theory is that Joe Smith was a very unlikely person to invent as the founder of your religion
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Ishmael


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So is Mohammed. And he most definitely isn't real.
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Ishmael


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BTW - It's not a theory. It's a hypothesis. And I just GAVE it to you. And your first instinct was to tell me why it's worthless.
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Mick Harper
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Quite correct. All new theories on the AEL are to be given initial support, or at any rate not be subjected to wrecking amendments. However, Ishmael, are we to be given some 'rounding out' or will you be dumping it in our laps while you go off after richer game as can occasionally be your wont.

Starting a new thread, especially one with a typo in the subject line, is a heavy responsibility. Unless it's deliberate in which case, congratulations.
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Ishmael


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oh damn.....
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Ishmael


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So I got this idea in a round-about fashion.

Watching a YouTube video I discovered that the Ute tribe (from whom Utah takes its name) have a legend of secret GOLDEN PLATES containing a historical record of the prehistory of America.

Where have we heard that story before? The origin story for the Book of Mormon. Mormons live in Utah.

So one group surely must have got the tale from the other. Which one?

I would say that it was the Utes who got it from the Mormons but for the fact that the same legend of GOLDEN PLATES recounting a secret pre-history of the Americas is also told in South America by a tribes and peoples thought to be related to the Utes. That's a long way for Mormon doctrine to travel.

The natural conclusion then is that Joseph Smith heard the legend from the Utes and it inspired him to write the Book of Mormon.

But Joseph Smith wasn't in Utah when he wrote the Book of Mormon. He'd never been there.
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Ishmael


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So the standard history would have it that Joseph Smith wrote a pre-history of America he claimed to have deciphered from GOLDEN PLATES. His people then later moved to the land of the Utes--a people who, coincidentally, shared a a legend of a pre-history of America written on GOLDEN PLATES.
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Ishmael


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So now we are in a bind. Because if the Mormons were inspired by the Utes, the Mormons couldn't have written the Book of Mormon until they were already in Utah!
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Ishmael


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Add to this some startling "evidence" that the Mormons were in Utah long before they are said to have arrived.

What is this startling evidence you ask?

Well.... it's a little embarrassing. But it really is quite intriguing.

A Mud Flood Conspiracy Channel YouTube channel has pointed out that The Mormon Cathedral is a damned wonder of the world but was built, supposedly, by people who had virtually arrived moments before in wagon trains.

He further points out that the Mormon origin story has them fleeing to Utah to escape persecution by the Federal Government, only to have the feds arrive there just three years later.

I'm already convinced that the founding of America, and the American Revolution, did not happen as history records. So for me, all bets are off on much of history prior to 1850, and all of it prior to 1812.
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Ishmael


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Spot the One that Doesn't Belong:

Founder of Judaism: Moses
Extensive biography recorded in the Torah.
Status: Fictional

Founder of Christianity Jesus of Nazereth
Extensive biography recorded in the New Testament.
Status: Fictional

Founder of Islam Mohammud
Extensive biography recorded in the Haddiths.
Status: Fictional

Founder of Mormonism Joseph Smith
Extensive biography recorded in the written Mormon documents.
Status: 100% Historical Fact.

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Applied Epistemology says, "There are no special cases."
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Wile E. Coyote


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Interesting.

Divination is the mother of history. Joseph Smith correctly predicted the American Civil would begin in South Carolina, and it did, about 20 years after his death. Rather unjustly, as he has no evidence for this, Wiley puts this down to this "prophecy" being attributed to Smith after the Civil war had already started and some folks were expecting the Second Coming of Christ.

Is there any evidence for polygamy developing at the end of the American Civil war in some areas, due to casualties?

Re the Gold Plates. Is there any evidence of native americans mining gold in the area?
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