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Wile E. Coyote


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Put another way Christianity is a western religion which developed out of the cult of Augustus, the cult of son of god, originally centered in Rome, the Palatine hill can be considered its actual birthplace. Chritianity's remarkable early success as a religion turns out to be not remarkable at all, it was simply the state cult, established after the death of Augustus. The messaging was carried not just through temples but the imagery of coins and names of subsequent emperors, the chronology and the administration of the empire was based on the cult of Augustus. There is no evidence for a Jesus who was a historical contemporary of Augustus. It is only later the fictional Jesus story and chronology, and iconography replace the Augustus story. Christianity therefore is western religion, that has sought to portray a origin in the East, as the needs of empire changed.
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I dont know why but nobody seems to have figured out that the King Henry II Thomas Becket myth is the Romulus and Remus story, until Wiley worked it out about 10 minutes ago.

That is of course why Thomas = twin.

Thames= Twins.
Henry II=Romulus
Thomas Becket=Remus
Empress Matilda=She wolf
London=Rome
Brutus=Britain
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Mick Harper
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Is the reason for à Becket also to be revealed to us? Also, what about Romulus = Rome but look what happens when Remus wins.
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Wile E. Coyote


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This is why Becket Pilgrim Badges are found in and close to the River Thames, and Thomas performed miracles associated with the river.
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Mick Harper
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He's also big in Spain which has its own twin troubles.
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Ishmael


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Wile E. Coyote wrote:
I dont know why but nobody seems to have figured out that the King Henry II Thomas Becket myth is the Romulus and Remus story, until Wiley worked it out about 10 minutes ago.

That is of course why Thomas = twin.

Thames= Twins.
Henry II=Romulus
Thomas Becket=Remus
Empress Matilda=She wolf
London=Rome
Brutus=Britain


Oh my god!!!

But you've solved far more. THis same story is repeated over and over again. Most famously with Thomas More. But I can give you two dozen examples.
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Wile E. Coyote


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This is why it was Stephen Langton ie King Stephen/ London organises Beckets translation, in accordance with Leviticus, it is not just to celebrate the Becket cult but to celebrate ab urbe condita, in this case the founding of the city of London.

The two imagined areas under consideration for the great city were around Canterbury Cathedral and St Pauls.

Peter and Paul being the later Rome-Christian twin variant of Romulus and Remus.
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Wile E. Coyote


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I am not expecting much support from either scriptpocentrics or scriptoskeptics, so keep the criticism coming.
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Wile E. Coyote


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British History Online wrote:
To enlarge the area of the church, King Henry gave part of the Palatine Tower estate, which was turned into a churchyard and encircled with a wall, which ran along Carter Lane to Creed Lane, and was freed of buildings. The bishop, on his part, contributed to the service of the altar the rents of Paul's Wharf, and for a school gave the house of Durandus, at the corner of Bell Court. On the bishop's death, the Crown seized his wealth, and the bishop's boots were carried to the Exchequer full of gold and silver. St. Bernard, however, praises him, and says: "It was not wonderful that Master Gilbert should be a bishop; but that the Bishop of London should live like a poor man, that was magnificent."

In the reign of Stephen a dreadful fire broke out and raged from London Bridge to St. Clement Danes. In this fire St. Paul's was partially destroyed. The Bishop, in his appeals for contributions to the church, pleaded that this was the only London church specially dedicated to St. Paul. The citizens of London were staunch advocates of King Stephen against the Empress Maud, and at their folkmote, held at the Cheapside end of St. Paul's, claimed the privilege of naming a monarch.

In the reign of Henry II. St. Paul's was the scene of a strange incident connected with the quarrel between the King and that ambitious Churchman, the Primate Becket. Gilbert Foliot, the learned and austere Bishop of London, had sided with the King and provoked the bitter hatred of Becket. During the celebration of mass a daring emissary of Becket had the boldness to thrust a roll, bearing the dreaded sentence of excommunication against Foliot, into the hands of the officiating priest, and at the same time to cry aloud—"Know all men that Gilbert, Bishop of London, is excommunicated by Thomas, Archbishop of Canterbury!" Foliot for a time defied the interdict, but at last bowed to his enemy's authority, and refrained from entering the Church of St. Paul's.


It's all in there, this is a reworking of the bit where Remus jumps over Romulus' "city" wall to make his twin brother angry.
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Ishmael


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I don't see it. I wish you would explain the whole thing.
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Chad


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Don’t we all...
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Wile E. Coyote


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Apologies. Thought it was clear.

Looks like I will need to start from the founding.....
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Wile E. Coyote


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Many moons ago, Dan Crisp introduced us to the work of Jane Jacobs, (The Economy of cities) it is in the Jacobs Crackers thread. The basic premise was Cities come first rural development comes later.

Wiley remembers this. You might want to as well. There again, if your mind is addled with kindly shepherds and pastoral landscapes, you might choose to give these threads a miss.

For a long time Wiley has confused himself with sacred chronology, it's based on the birth of Jesus in a manger, some shepherds, some wise men. Time and place flows from that strange but comforting image. It's year one, in what might be the middle of nowhere. You might notice it is a somewhat miraculous start to what is now referred to as the common era. Very strange that.

It didn't happen. Time and place actually starts in the City. Cities come first.
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The Jacobs Crackers? thread is memorable, I agree. My memory is it doesn't say Cities First full stop, but that cities have to have existed before agriculture /farming. That citizens' needs lead to demand for food should be inarguable so when the pastoral idyll as a 'primitive' society was imprinted in our minds is presumably linked to printing. Whoever came up with shepherds and wise men?
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Mick Harper
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Actually all historians, archaeologists, anthropologists, ethnologists etc etc. When it's not the housewife who accidentally spilt the spelt when sweeping out the kitchen. Ancient wise men are essential when modern wise men need something to happen and they don't know how.

The problem is always the same: where are the paradigm-makers coming from? In this case it is academic founding fathers discovering uncivilised people live by hunting and gathering. Therefore pre-civilised people must have been hunter-gatherers. Looking at Kalahari bushmen, Amerindian denizens of the rain forest and aboriginal aboriginals, it is difficult to see them producing civilisation. But apparently they must have.
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