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Wile E. Coyote


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WHO=1.00
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Chad


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Gotcha.
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Wile E. Coyote


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Wiley can't help wondering if Germany's low death toll is due to the fact that it had really strong flu in 2017/8 with around 25,100 people losing their lives. This is higher than their number of covid deaths so far. After having a bad 2017 they had fewer folks to lose (8961 covid deaths) in 2020?
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Mick Harper
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This is a very promising avenue to explore (so it won't be). It would appear that the benchmark for "Did you do the right thing?" is going to be the overall number of Covid deaths per capita. Since these are overwhelmingly the very old with underlying health issues, that figure will presumably be a coefficient of how many such people there are in a given country times how well they were protected. Whether that country was locked down or not may be irrelevant, but more likely it is a nudge figure. It may turn out that we should just have locked down care homes.
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Mick Harper
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Good grief! Leicester! As the biggest (indeed only majority) BAME city in Britain, of course it is likely to have a spike. What should happen? Well, the population should shrug, "Hey, we're a majority BAME city, let's deal with it." What did happen? "It's the government. Bastards."

Good to see they're learning our ways though.
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Wile E. Coyote


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Well Done! Leicester! Clearly you are getting more people tested than the rest of us. You deserve a National award for following PHE guidance on testing. You are a beacon. You are locked down.
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Mick Harper
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Fun Facts From Russia

1. Under new regulations, the Russians are prosecuting anybody who spreads disturbing news about Covid, even if it is true
2. The official news channels are saying that Russia has one of the lowest Covid death rates in the world
3. Russians who die and have underlying conditions plus Covid are registered as dying of the underlying condition
4. Anybody reporting that (3) is different from all other countries' practice is guilty of (1)
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Wile E. Coyote


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Has Covid 19 killed anyone? The evidence is that those with underlying causes are most at risk, but is there any evidence that Covid 19 has killed even one fit healthy person? You can google articles, but it is statistically so rare it does make Wiley wonder. We are heading in the wrong direction, we need better treatment of the real causes of death. Covid 19 probably hasn't killed anyone.
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Ishmael


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Covid has not killed anyone.

We live in a web of lies constructed to serve competing interests.
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Mick Harper
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We'll pass over Ishmael. He seems to think that viruses should not be named and shamed but doesn't think we need to know why.

Wiley raises the wider philosophical point of what do people actually die of, when we call it 'old age'. Presumably this is not in itself lethal. But something other than "your time's up" must be affecting some vital organ or other. Now Covid is supposed to impair the lungs so presumably that's what its victims are dying of. Running out of puff. But as you say, Wiley, when people have an underlying condition there does not seem any way of definitively saying it was Covid that pushed them over that particular edge.

I suspect, since the world will not fancy another shut-down any time soon, that this philosophical point is going to get an almighty airing in the near future and that gradually everyone will shift over to the Russian position by hook or by crook. As I keep saying, hypocrisy is a sovereign cure for many things.
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My prediction is the overall death rate for 2020 will be within normal bounds. The cruise ship experiment shows that the death rate for Covid19 is about one in a thousand but as most are in their 80s it won't even be a blip. The reputation of Johnson and his "scientific" advisors will be in the toilet. Every one of the cowards who are now walking around with silly masks will remember how they knew it was all nonsense all along and how everyone else was misled by stupid Boris
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Wile E. Coyote


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Grant wrote:
My prediction is the overall death rate for 2020 will be within normal bounds. The cruise ship experiment shows that the death rate for Covid19 is about one in a thousand but as most are in their 80s it won't even be a blip. The reputation of Johnson and his "scientific" advisors will be in the toilet. Every one of the cowards who are now walking around with silly masks will remember how they knew it was all nonsense all along and how everyone else was misled by stupid Boris


Don't think we will ever know what's really happened.

If Wiley had said to you at the end of 2019... that in 2020, due to financial constraints, we will slash all hospital admissions and outpatient appointments and send home 20% or so of essential health care staff, including those helping the elderly in care homes, you would probably have been a tad concerned for Wiley's mental well being, or called me a fascist and accused me of causing 1000s of deaths by unnatural causes?
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Wile E. Coyote


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Which is not to say PHE are fascists, they are, to a person, incredibly nice, they want to help. They want to do good, so they sent home, not just essential workers, with underlying conditions, but all those that had a relative at home with an underlying condition, and then when there were no staff to do the job, the administrators had to cancel appointments, or do phone appointments, there was suddenly no enforcement of standards, and yes managers tried to fill the gaps with bank staff, or volunteers who traveled from home to home, workplace to workplace, without proper training or PPE. And all these less trained folks were also good folks that also wanted to help. So we clapped them, because they are all really nice people, much better than Wiley.
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Wile E. Coyote


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Then, our best people saw that Covid was a blessing not a curse. We could give people more welfare benefits, for staying at home, and use it as a once in a lifetime opportunity to solve the homelessness crisis. Blimey.
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Mick Harper
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Which is not to say PHE are fascists, they are to a person, incredibly nice, they want to help.

This sums up the entire liberal ethos and why it is so disastrous for anything other than operating a nice, mature state with no underlying problems. Or one faced with sudden emergencies.

People keep thinking 'niceness' is a good thing. It isn't. If it were it would break the AE rule of no fixed strategies. It is a way of getting people to do what you want them to (mainly being nice back) in situations where it works. The moment it doesn't work it becomes disastrous because the next step, if you think niceness is a good thing, is invariably to be even nicer. The other side of the problem encourages you all the way. More later on this promising topic.
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