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Mick Harper
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You mean, yours and mine? Thanks for letting me know, I had no idea. Taken a bit of a weight off my mind to be perfectly honest.
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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| How did Dionysius [Exiguus] date Christ's birth?....Dionysius' original task was to calculate an Easter table. In the Julian calendar, the dates for Easter repeat every 532 years. The first year in Dionysius' Easter tables is C.E. 532. Is it a coincidence that the number 532 appears twice here? Or did Dionysius perhaps fix Jesus' birthyear so that his own Easter tables would start exactly at the beginning of the second Easter cycle after Jesus' birth? |
It has to be remembered that "Jesus" is a piece of symbology that is open to anyone or any group to exploit. In The Megalithic Empire we portray the Megalithics as setting up (under the banner of Mary Magdalen & Co) the Old Ways in southern France around this time (sixth century). It is absurd having a tradition that Jesus's bloodline marries into the Merovingians unless you have Mary M turning up in 532 AD rather than 32 AD.
Something similar is happening in Britain around the same time under the banner of Joseph of Arimathea. No doubt the St James bandwagon is found to get started around this time in Spain and so on and so forth in other parts of Europe. Different strokes for different folks but not different guiding principles.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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You still aint got it.
Dionysus "the runt", was proposing the end of anno Diocletian.....
So in 531 A.D. (the year the system was changed), it was really 247 anno Diocletiani, 'The year of Diocletian', counted from the start of his reign.
As Diocletian was a notorious persecutor of christians Dionysus wasn't a happy bunny.... He was looking at the Calendar precisely because it did not work and required recalculation. Hence different starting points, adding in of days etc.
Bede was the first to use years BC.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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Note for would-be forgers: Bede and his contemporaries according to orthodoxy could conceive of years AD/BC but they could not get their heads round zero.......
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| Ishmael wrote: | | nemesis8 wrote: | | He travels around surrounded by disciples who basically don't understand his message....Odysseus/Jesus then travel back home. Ceasar is captured before returning....Jesus is not recognized. It's the same in the pirate story, they don't realise who Ceasar is, the pirates are "non believers". |
Brilliant! |
But those are small strands of very big stories. How do you know it's significant? Maybe it's just the average kind of stuff you can find in any story about "The Hero with a Thousand Faces".
Maybe it's no more significant than looking for commonalities amongst Ceasar/Jesus/Odysseus with any one of Frodo/Luke Skywalker/Neo/Harry Potter or the equivalent of the latter from any random century.
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| Rocky wrote: | | maybe it's just the average kind of stuff you can find in any story about "The Hero ....". |
It is.
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Grant
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How many heroes do you know about who ended up nailed to a post?
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Coyote and Cloud ran a race. Cloud bet storm, and Coyote clear weather. They started far away to the south, and for a while Coyote was in the lead. Then Cloud made fruits of all kinds to grow in front of Coyote; and he, looking back and seeing Cloud far behind, stopped to eat. In this way Cloud caught up and won.
How likely is that ?
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Mick Harper
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In: London
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| How many heroes do you know about who ended up nailed to a post? |
From The Megalithic Empire
| Herne is said to inhabit Windsor Forest and until the end of the eighteenth century there was an oak tree in the middle of Windsor Great Park called Herne's Oak from where he hanged himself 'to expiate a crime', a motif also central to the Woden and Jesus legends though Christians made sure horned figures would be automatically identified with the Devil. | |
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My feeling is that crucifixion is simply a variant of the three legged/limping beast.
Another variant is illustrated after the death of Hector, his ankles were bound together, he was then attached to Achilles chariot, and so on.
Hey.... good job I dont do classics....
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Mick Harper
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| My feeling is that crucifixion is simply a variant of the three legged/limping beast. |
From The Megalithic Empire:
St. Eloy, the patron saint of metal-workers once removed a horse's leg 'to shoe it more easily', a piece of leg-pulling that obscures the pagan connotations of the severed leg. The Egyptian Book of the Dead, for instance, illustrates a three-legged calf whose severed leg is being offered to the gods.
The Isle of Man has a flag with three (severed) legs joined at the thigh, a symbol known as a trefot (three feet) and which closely resembles the strange glyph of three hares running in a circle linked together by one of their ears, thought to be an alchemical sign somehow connected to tin-mining, probably because most three-hare carvings are on churches in tin-rich Dartmoor.
However the three-hare motif is also found in China as well as Europe and the Middle East so if there is a metallurgical link it will be much wider than tinning. It almost certainly goes back to Hephaestus, the original smith, working at his three-legged table.
Three-legged icons generally have Megalithic resonances because three-into-one ('Thrice-great') is an alchemical principle, the three prime ingredients being sulphur, mercury and salt and the three initial stages are represented by those very Megalithic birds the raven, the swan and the peacock.
The three-legged motif has a peculiar role in the saga of Oxford where a sixteenth-century Oxford scholar, Richard Hooker, is said to have invented the three-legged stool! According to Hooker the three legs represented the Anglican tenets of reason, scripture and tradition. This pious claim should be viewed in the light of Hooker's Megalithic background: he was the rector of St. Mary's Drayton Beauchamp on the Icknield Way, his mentor was Edwin Sandys (= St. Denis = Dionysus), and he later became Master of the Temple Church in London. | |
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Hatty
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The crucifixion seems a sort of transformation or revelation. In the three stages of alchemy elements are bound together, as in metallurgy. Dan came up with the Triple Death which seems to have been reserved for special cases.
Don't know about Hector but Troy is another 'three' word.
PS. crossed with Mick's much fuller post.
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So ...Thomas Beckett..... Three Ravens....Three deaths ....Crucifixion......
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The raven is a mirror of the dove.
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The True Celtic Race
To begin with, we must dismiss the idea that Celtica was ever inhabited by a single pure and homogeneous race. The true Celts, if we accept on this point the carefully studied and elaborately argued conclusion of Dr. T. Rice Holmes, ['Caesar's Conquest of Gaul,' pp. 251 - 327] supported by the unanimous voice of antiquity, were a tall fair race [...] The ancients were not very close observers of physical characteristics. They describe the Celts in almost exactly the same terms as those which they apply to the Germanic races. Dr. Rice Holmes is of opinion that the real difference, physically, lay in the fact that the fairness of the Germans was blond, and that of the Celts red. In an interesting passage of the work already quoted (p. 315) he observes that, "Making every allowance for the admixture of other blood, which must have considerably modified the type of the original Celtic or Gallic invaders of these islands, we are struck by the fact that among all our Celtic-speaking fellow subjects there are to be found numerous specimens of a type which also exists in those parts of Brittany which were colonised by British invaders, and in those parts of Gaul in which the Gallic invaders appear to have settled most thickly, as well as in Northern Italy, where the Celtic invaders were once dominant ; and also by the fact that this type, even among the more blond representatives of it, is strikingly different to the casual as well as to the scientific observer, from that of the purest representatives of the ancient Germans. The well-known picture of Sir David Wilkie, 'Reading of the Waterloo Gazette,' illustrates, as Daniel Wilson remarked, the difference between the two types. Put a Perthshire Highlander side by side with a Sussex farmer. Both will be fair ; but the red hair and heard of the Scot will be in marked contrast with the fair hair of the Englishman, and their features will differ still more markedly. I remember seeing two gamekeepers in a railway carriage running from Inverness to Lairey. They were tall, athletic, fair men, evidently belonging to the Scandinavian type, which, as Dr. Beddoc says, is so common in the extreme north of Scotland but both in colouring and in general aspect they were utterly different from the tall, fair Highlanders whom I had Seen in Perth-shire. There was not a trace of red in their hair, their long beards being absolutely yellow. The prevalence of red among the Celtic. speaking people is, it seems to me, a most striking characteristic. [...] it comes that the characteristics of the peoples called Celtic in the present day, and who carry on the Celtic tradition and language, are in some respects so different from those of the Celts of classical history and the Celts who produced the literature and art of ancient Ireland, and in others so strikingly similar. To take a physical characteristic alone, the more Celtic districts of the British Islands are at present marked by darkness of complexion, hair, &c. They are not very dark, but they are darker than the rest of the kingdom. [See the map of comparative nigrescence given in Ripley's "Races of Europe," p.318. In France, however, the Bretons are not a dark race relatively to the reit of the population. They are composed partly of the ancient Gallic peoples and partly of settlers from Wales who were driven out by the Saxon invasion] But the true Celts were certainly fair. Even the Irish Celts of the twelfth century are described by Giraldus Cambrensis as a fair race.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/celt/mlcr/mlcr01.htm
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