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Since Homer describes a Bronze Age war, placed at 1200 BC or later, doesn't this absolutely rule out Troy being in Anatolia?
This information is from Wiki which also tells us: Classically, the Iron A ...

Komori should read this link......... it alleges Britain as a Phoenician power base.........
It makes fascinating reading P.H. but like almost every recent thing in this thread it's pure speculation. ...

There are some glaring differences between what is being offered here.

Is, as Mick Harper says, Mycenaen culture essentially the same as Classical Greek?

Mycenean Greece is pretty much the same ...

There was no Greek history prior to this. The Mycenaean culture was not Greek nor was there any Greek culture in Anatolia or Western Turkey until the 7th Cent BC. My own investigations conclude that t ...

The ancients made use of a group called the Drawids instead. Letters containing images rather than writing were sent through the post.

My request must have been delayed by the postal strike. Damn Reds!

Phew! A couple of weeks working away and I come back to this! The Trojan War is now fought in Britain, not in Turkey! The Beaker People are the Mycenaeans and the Celts/Welsh are the Trojans? Reality ...

So, back on the topic of the Beaker People. Dan wrote:

They say Brittany was heavily, (re)colonised from Cornwall in relatively recent times, which might mean Brittany has been to and fro as much a ...

No problem, I've got the link. I'm not sure why the two sources are so different but if we follow the Benz source that you're basing your analysis on, then yes, Cornwall, most of western England, part ...

Then why not beakers throughout the West Country, Wales, Cumbria, Scotland and Ireland?
Perhaps we're singing from different hymn sheets here but Wiki shows Beaker penetration throughout the UK and ...

Mick wrote:
This is what makes Beakerdom important. Is it co-eval with the introduction of agriculture and/or were the Beakers an invading horde or were they merely the folks that spread the agricult ...

DP Crisp wrote:
Duncan, will you please refrain from re-citing the genetic findings when the genetic methodology is called into question? They are far from first principles.
Way too premature for th ...

Pulp History wrote:

It's a bit odd how peoples apparently spread rapidly then sit still for thousands of years before deciding to spread again.......
It begs the question as to why people should ...

Komorikid wrote:

If the Celts (and I really hate using the word as it had so many twisted connotations -- linguistically and ethnically) were a maritime trading race first and foremost their powerb ...

This is one of the basic flaws in the OppSyk model. They take no account of the fact that interbreeding between the East and West was relatively small and assume a population growth at a mean level ov ...

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Topic: Beaker People
Duncan Replies: 359 Views: 146086	Forum: Pre-History Posted: 2:41 pm Subject: Beaker People
Duncan Replies: 359 Views: 146086	Since Homer describes a Bronze Age war, placed at 1200 BC or later, doesn't this absolutely rule out Troy being in Anatolia? This information is from Wiki which also tells us: Classically, the Iron A ...
Topic: Beaker People
Duncan Replies: 359 Views: 146086	Forum: Pre-History Posted: 2:20 pm Subject: Beaker People
Duncan Replies: 359 Views: 146086	Komori should read this link......... it alleges Britain as a Phoenician power base......... It makes fascinating reading P.H. but like almost every recent thing in this thread it's pure speculation. ...
Topic: Beaker People
Duncan Replies: 359 Views: 146086	Forum: Pre-History Posted: 12:09 pm Subject: Beaker People
Duncan Replies: 359 Views: 146086	There are some glaring differences between what is being offered here. Is, as Mick Harper says, Mycenaen culture essentially the same as Classical Greek? Mycenean Greece is pretty much the same ...
Topic: Beaker People
Duncan Replies: 359 Views: 146086	Forum: Pre-History Posted: 8:37 am Subject: Beaker People
Duncan Replies: 359 Views: 146086	There was no Greek history prior to this. The Mycenaean culture was not Greek nor was there any Greek culture in Anatolia or Western Turkey until the 7th Cent BC. My own investigations conclude that t ...
Topic: Beaker People
Duncan Replies: 359 Views: 146086	Forum: Pre-History Posted: 3:49 pm Subject: Beaker People
Duncan Replies: 359 Views: 146086	The ancients made use of a group called the Drawids instead. Letters containing images rather than writing were sent through the post.
Topic: Beaker People
Duncan Replies: 359 Views: 146086	Forum: Pre-History Posted: 10:08 am Subject: Beaker People
Duncan Replies: 359 Views: 146086	My request must have been delayed by the postal strike. Damn Reds!
Topic: Beaker People
Duncan Replies: 359 Views: 146086	Forum: Pre-History Posted: 8:34 am Subject: Beaker People
Duncan Replies: 359 Views: 146086	Phew! A couple of weeks working away and I come back to this! The Trojan War is now fought in Britain, not in Turkey! The Beaker People are the Mycenaeans and the Celts/Welsh are the Trojans? Reality ...
Topic: Beaker People
Duncan Replies: 359 Views: 146086	Forum: Pre-History Posted: 10:57 am Subject: Beaker People
Duncan Replies: 359 Views: 146086	So, back on the topic of the Beaker People. Dan wrote: They say Brittany was heavily, (re)colonised from Cornwall in relatively recent times, which might mean Brittany has been to and fro as much a ...
Topic: Beaker People
Duncan Replies: 359 Views: 146086	Forum: Pre-History Posted: 12:08 pm Subject: Beaker People
Duncan Replies: 359 Views: 146086	No problem, I've got the link. I'm not sure why the two sources are so different but if we follow the Benz source that you're basing your analysis on, then yes, Cornwall, most of western England, part ...
Topic: Beaker People
Duncan Replies: 359 Views: 146086	Forum: Pre-History Posted: 9:24 am Subject: Beaker People
Duncan Replies: 359 Views: 146086	Then why not beakers throughout the West Country, Wales, Cumbria, Scotland and Ireland? Perhaps we're singing from different hymn sheets here but Wiki shows Beaker penetration throughout the UK and ...
Topic: Beaker People
Duncan Replies: 359 Views: 146086	Forum: Pre-History Posted: 5:09 pm Subject: Beaker People
Duncan Replies: 359 Views: 146086	Mick wrote: This is what makes Beakerdom important. Is it co-eval with the introduction of agriculture and/or were the Beakers an invading horde or were they merely the folks that spread the agricult ...
Topic: Beaker People
Duncan Replies: 359 Views: 146086	Forum: Pre-History Posted: 4:58 pm Subject: Beaker People
Duncan Replies: 359 Views: 146086	DP Crisp wrote: Duncan, will you please refrain from re-citing the genetic findings when the genetic methodology is called into question? They are far from first principles. Way too premature for th ...
Topic: Beaker People
Duncan Replies: 359 Views: 146086	Forum: Pre-History Posted: 1:12 pm Subject: Beaker People
Duncan Replies: 359 Views: 146086	Pulp History wrote: It's a bit odd how peoples apparently spread rapidly then sit still for thousands of years before deciding to spread again....... It begs the question as to why people should ...
Topic: Beaker People
Duncan Replies: 359 Views: 146086	Forum: Pre-History Posted: 12:53 pm Subject: Beaker People
Duncan Replies: 359 Views: 146086	Komorikid wrote: If the Celts (and I really hate using the word as it had so many twisted connotations -- linguistically and ethnically) were a maritime trading race first and foremost their powerb ...
Topic: Beaker People
Duncan Replies: 359 Views: 146086	Forum: Pre-History Posted: 11:29 am Subject: Beaker People
Duncan Replies: 359 Views: 146086	This is one of the basic flaws in the OppSyk model. They take no account of the fact that interbreeding between the East and West was relatively small and assume a population growth at a mean level ov ...